Israel/Palestine thread
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The present campaign has been so comparably efficient (in loss of IDF life) to other historical campaigns that other countries are trying to figure out how Israel pulled it off. The death tolls should be at least a 0 higher if not more.
There's been so many "it can't be done" moments in this thing. Months back the American political system was saying it was impossible to evacuate Rafah. They did. Before that it was impossible to face Hamas
I'm pretty sure the formula was an extreme reluctance to risk IDF soldiers, and an extreme tolerance for civilian casualties. Most countries do not have have the latter, so they need to be more tolerant of casualties from their own armed forces.
Searching for tunnels on the ground has proven to be extremely dangerous, even in "secured" areas. The footage is awful: if IDF wanders into a trap they are slaughtered. The tunnels enable some ambushes which are impossible to counter. I do not think that IDF plans to continue doing those type of missions because the risk/reward is so bad.
Hamas not only influences it's own people it is also indoctrinating millions of college students around the world to hate Israel. People should start listening to Rudy. He is very level headed and knows what he is talking about.
"This is a war between Hamas and Israel"
Uh no. This is just stupid. It's not Hamas indoctrinating them. It's Israel's own actions in Gaza which are causing millions of college students to hate Israel.
Hamas not only influences it's own people it is also indoctrinating millions of college students around the world to hate Israel. People should start listening to Rudy. He is very level headed and knows what he is talking about.
"This is a war between Hamas and Israel"
"I'm not a political expert but if you eliminated hamas but killed my whole family in the process my first move would be to start hamas 2" -apropos tweet
"I'm not a political expert but if you eliminated hamas but killed my whole family in the process my first move would be to start hamas 2" -apropos tweet
Correct, but i dont think israel is interested in changing minds. They just want to eliminate the threat at a redic cost or at least buy some time
Uh no. This is just stupid. It's not Hamas indoctrinating them. It's Israel's own actions in Gaza which are causing millions of college students to hate Israel.
It's propaganda created by Hamas that is stirring the pot. Israel is just taking care of business as they should. The SJW's grew tired of Ukraine and needed something else to be outraged about. Hamas was their for them.
Correct, but i dont think israel is interested in changing minds. They just want to eliminate the threat at a redic cost or at least buy some time
Israel had been fighting with one hand tied behind their back until Oct 7th. Now they are going all in trying to eliminate Hamas. Israel is a land where Jews from all over the world are supposed to be safe when they move there or visit. The Israeli government must restore this safety trust. The mass destruction we are seeing is the result of the mass number of tunnels Hamas has built. They have created the conditions for mass casualties. It's ugly but it has to be done.
Uh no. This is just stupid. It's not Hamas indoctrinating them. It's Israel's own actions in Gaza which are causing millions of college students to hate Israel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/world...
Hamas itself would admit it’s indoctrinating Gazan children.
Denying such basic facts makes your position look weak, like you’re not willing to admit maybe Hamas has some agency and responsibility in the situation Gazans find themselves in.
It’s almost as if you can’t believe the Jews in Israel can be anything but evil and solely responsible for the deaths of Gazans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/world...
Hamas itself would admit it’s indoctrinating Gazan children.
Denying such basic facts makes your position look weak, like you’re not willing to admit maybe Hamas and some Gazans have some agency and responsibility in the situation they are in.
Don't be silly. I was referring to the students protesting in Western universities, not Gazan children.
a little too late for that 7 months into a genocide. the entire world outside of american politicians has moved on from them
Take it a step further if you want to convince yourself.
500k dead Israelis, 30k dead Gazans.
You think a single court out there is trying to figure out if the 30k is genocide today?
Optics matter here guys.
People here would still condemn Israel and say nothing bad about Hamas. The numbers don't matter.
My understanding is they agreed to act as a middle man (cutting out Fatah) in dispersing UAE aid, for the purpose of weakening Fatah's leverage over Hamas. It is really stretching to call that "funding militants" IMO.
I mean, by that definition Israel is currently "funding militants" by allowing aid through right now.
They are. And they shouldn't be.
https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1794524...
--I am posting this as a link because it is a video of straight up executions. The person posting the video claims it is Hamas executing Palestinians for taking food. This particular account is pro Israel propaganda, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. This is not the first time videos like this have floated across my timeline.
--It is interesting how there are hundreds if not thousands of posts in this thread accusing Israeli soldiers engaging in this kind of behavior; but despite there being 1 million camera phones in Gaza, there is never any video evidence. Just "reports."
While on the other hand I could find several types of these videos showing Hamas in the act shooting/executing Palestinian civilians, which is exactly what one would expect if such actions were actually taking place given constant recording.
I've seen it outside of synagogue settings where the hosts of the parties were orthodox. Several bar mitzvahs with friends, and the banquet halls were split down the middle with separate dance floors etc, the whole nine.
The most difficult aspect for me was accepting men refusing to shake my hand when being introduced, but I learned to recognize them based on dress and now expect it.
Why would you socialize with people who disrespect women and treat them as as untouchables?
Uh no. This is just stupid. It's not Hamas indoctrinating them. It's Israel's own actions in Gaza which are causing millions of college students to hate Israel.
It's not millions of college students. It's thousands of people on campuses and most aren't even students at the respective colleges.
If there weren't cameras on these protest superstars there wouldn't be preening and chants and the taking over of campus buildings. It's performative drama.
What options does Israel have that don't involve killing Gazans or having their own people murdered?
I don't know, but you would think a military with the most sophisticated, high tech weaponry and surveillance systems in the world available to them would be able to fight and defeat a vastly outgunned opponent like Hamas without having to kill a massive number of civilians at the same time.
Or you know, maybe not oppress and terrorize the Gazans for years which is what led to Oct 7 happening in the first place.
It's not millions of college students. It's thousands of people on campuses and most aren't even students at the respective colleges.
If there weren't cameras on these protest superstars there wouldn't be preening and chants and the taking over of campus buildings. It's performative drama.
It's not just America. These protests are happening everywhere. Maybe not millions but it's safe to say that it's a lot more than a few thousand.
I didn't come up with the "millions" number by the way. It was in the post I was replying to.
that plan leads to multiple attempted holocaust 2.0s
any other ideas?
Prerequisite for granting a state should be that the Palestinian state doesn't try a holocaust 2.0.
Prerequisite for granting a state should be that the Palestinian state doesn't try a holocaust 2.0.
Prerequisite for that is that anyone who has expressed intent of holocaust 2.0 isn't allowed to live there in perpetuity at a bare minimum , especially those that acted in any way (including supporting any group that tried that in any form) on that intent.
that means that yes if you every cooked meals for hamas people knowing they were hamas people you are included, unless you told Israeli their locations.
Yeah, terrible news for you, but I've been to many Jewish social gatherings where men and women are separated by a wall and cannot see each other whatsoever, and made sure to cover my shoulders and knees for the customary modesty. Conservativism isn't unique to Arabic religions, friend. 👍
you are doing the "all the same" denial of quantitative differences, again.
Are rabbis never looking at women and only speaking to the men, in judaism? because that's what happening with the imam in the photo, the women are on the side.
Moreover, even if the speaker was an imam that wasn't a religious gathering (the attendants are all infidels), that was a political speech about glorifying violent terrorism (which they call rightful jihad)
you are doing the "all the same" denial of quantitative differences, again.
Are rabbis never looking at women and only speaking to the men, in judaism? because that's what happening with the imam in the photo, the women are on the side.
Moreover, even if the speaker was an imam that wasn't a religious gathering (the attendants are all infidels), that was a political speech about glorifying violent terrorism (which they call rightful jihad)
Unfortunately, you will not be able to convince me that Islam is any more patriarchal than Judaism or Christianity with just your big feelings.
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