Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread

Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.

This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.

Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.

Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.

So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.

Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.

So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.

We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.

Thanks.

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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We're on what, day 6 of trying to explain the plain meaning of ordinary words to adults?


by Trolly McTrollson P

We're on what, day 6 of trying to explain the plain meaning of ordinary words to adults?

Do you agree that a black person can become of Han ethnicity if he speaks chinese and eats with chopsticks and so on, or not?


by Luciom P

Do you agree that a black person can become of Han ethnicity if he speaks chinese and eats with chopsticks and so on, or not?

Who here is arguing this?


by Luckbox Inc P

Who here is arguing this?

jalfrezi, literally, for a week.

He claims ethnicity can be purely defined by culture (not exclusively, but as one of the way you can define it), has not anything to do with DNA /ancestry necessarily at all, and as such can be acquired and changed in life .

He claims "harvard experts" claim that as well, and he contests my claim that for normal people, ethnicity means who your ancestors were.


by Luciom P

Do you agree that a black person can become of Han ethnicity if he speaks chinese and eats with chopsticks and so on, or not?

I'm afraid if you can't figure these kinds of concepts out for yourself by adulthood there's not much I can do.


It can be, but not in all cases. In the case I gave of you in Pakistan, yes.


It started with him saying that if someone says something offensive toward palestinians, that's racist, and with me denying that because palestinian isn't an ethnicity, being palestinians not distinguishable ancestor-wise from a lot of other non palestinian arabs.


by Trolly McTrollson P

I'm afraid if you can't figure these kinds of concepts out for yourself by adulthood there's not much I can do.

Can you just answer? can a black person every become of Han ethnicity yes/no? AND do you think your answer would be widely agreed with by adults in your country?


by jalfrezi P

It can be, but not in all cases. In the case I gave of you in Pakistan, yes.

Ok so answer this: why is Kamala Harris universally considered of black and indian ethnicity, and not of jamaican and indian ethnicity?


I don't know much about her and am not inclined to look it up.

You seem to unable to comprehend that these things are not tightly defined despite having had this spelled out to you many times.


by jalfrezi P

I don't know much about her and am not inclined to look it up.

You seem to unable to comprehend that these things are not tightly defined despite having had this spelled out to you many times.

These things define very well: ethinicity is strictly and exclusively about who your ancestors were. There are gray areas in the sense that when you are mixed up enough, you won't have any specific ethnicity.

BUT NOTHING YOU DO WILL EVER CHANGE YOUR ETHNICITY lol, that part is very well defined, ethnicity isn't something you "become", it's something you are born with, that strictly and only depends on who your ancestors were.

That, for normal people.

Waiting for trollson for his take on this, we know yours according to which a black person can become of Han ethnicity in some cases.


Fuzzy lines

by ganstaman P

Ok, this is going to never end, and it's pointless. It doesn't matter if you are classifying people into racial categories, cultural categories, ethnicities, religions, or whatever -- mods are going to draw the lines where we think they are rational and reasonable to be drawn. The lines will be fuzzy. If you don't think you can figure out where the lines are, maybe just be nice in all your posts or accept that you may get banned now and the


by jalfrezi P

Fuzzy lines

That's what the mods decided to do, doesn't mean that's how people in the real world use the word ethnicity.


So what? Some people in the real world use the word "race" to mean something which it doesn't mean, as per the scientific article I posted. Good to see you admit you have no respect for hard science.

Some people in the real world use the word "irregardless" and use the word "literally" to mean anything but literally.


by jalfrezi P

So what? Some people in the real world use the word "race" to mean something which it doesn't mean, as per the scientific article I posted. Good to see you admit you have no respect for hard science.

Some people in the real world use the word "irregardless" and use the word "literally" to mean anything but literally.

Keep thinking harvard experts believe a black person can become Han (hint: they don't) because of a completly unrelated article you chose to link


by Luciom P

Keep thinking harvard experts believe a black person can become Han (hint: they don't) because of a completly unrelated article you chose to link

Nowhere have I stated this. Stop making **** up and falsely attributing it to people.


by jalfrezi P

Nowhere have I stated this. Stop making **** up and falsely attributing it to people.

You said a black can become a Punjabi or Pashtun (there is no pakistani ethnicity, there are several very different ethnic groups in pakistan though), i presumed that generalized to all ethnicities.

Otherwise what makes Pakistan special in regard to gaining ethnicity? you can become a Pashtun but not a Han because of what exactly?


by jalfrezi P

Fuzzy lines

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by PointlessWords P

Peoples whose families owned plantations and have the same last name as registered owners of the plantations.

It should be optional to pay yourself. If you don’t wanna pay the govt pays


And the govt gets the money from the billionaires since they benefit more than anyone else from the sacrifices African Americans have made in American history/society.

Does this new tax come before or after your idea of govt paid sex slaves for men?


by Luciom P

Yes because they are also different races lol.

by Luciom P

Race isn't bullshit when properly defined (ancestor commonality over a lot of generations).

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you, though talk you must, apparently.


by ganstaman P

Ok, this is going to never end, and it's pointless. It doesn't matter if you are classifying people into racial categories, cultural categories, ethnicities, religions, or whatever -- mods are going to draw the lines where we think they are rational and reasonable to be drawn. The lines will be fuzzy. If you don't think you can figure out where the lines are, maybe just be nice in all your posts or accept that you may get banned now and the


Time to move off this subject .... in this thread.


happy memorial day everyone!


I hope everyone has an enjoyable Memorial Day weekend as summer kicks off. It's a great time to gather with friends and family and have a good time.

I would just like to mention that for many veterans it tends to be a more somber day as memories of fallen friends come to the fore. So if you encounter a vet who seems withdrawn or reluctant to join the fun, please be aware of why that may be.

I had the privilege of serving as a Company Commander in the only Airborne Battalion in Europe back in the 80s. My Company had 6 platoons each led by a lieutenant. The Department of the Army hand picked the LTs to join this unit, usually the very top of their West Point Class. They were remarkable young men.

Of the initial 6 in the unit when I took command, 5 later were killed in service. They voluntarily served in the most elite units the Army had to offer, with the highest risks. I remember other friends today as well who also gave their lives in the service.

So by all means enjoy the holiday. Just be understanding if you say "Happy Memorial Day" to a vet and you get a pained look in response. For some it is one of the least happy days of the year.


by browser2920 P

I hope everyone has an enjoyable Memorial Day weekend as summer kicks off. It's a great time to gather with friends and family and have a good time.

I would just like to mention that for many veterans it tends to be a more somber day as memories of fallen friends come to the fore. So if you encounter a vet who seems withdrawn or reluctant to join the fun, please be aware of why that may be.

I had the privilege of serving as a Company Com

God bless you Sir


Heartfelt regards, Browser


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