ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
DT is being charged in several cases. He was found to be a rapist, and now a felon. So he's been found wrong in civil and criminal court now for 2 different events spanning decades. These patterns of behavoir continue and are obvious.
Compared with: Some citizens brought a lawsuit against the Biden administration for working with social media companies to combat covid misinformation.
These things are different. It's probably a bad idea to eve
Some citizens and some states brought a lawsuit against Biden for violating the first amendment.
And 2 courts find it likely the violation happened.
There is no exception to the first amendment related to content you "really really really " care about, no excusing emergency justification, no attenuating circumstances applicable to these events (no war for example). That's the constitution, the fundamental law of the land, infinitely more important than normal laws, no matter if you disagree with it's content or it's application.
It's true it's different,mass violating the constitution through abuses of executive power is orders of magnitude worse objectively that any acta a person in his individual capacity might commit (including being a serial killer).
We have been hearing for 8 years Trump is a threat to democracy and now we hear that being a convincted felon should disqualify him from running.
I am just countering that take with "being found as likely to have violated the first amendment rights of millions of american by a federal appeal court is objectively worse".
Fwiw I am ok with both candidates running and neither are a threat to democracy.
Because this is the best SCOTUS in many generations.
But I can't really stand the disgusting hypocrisy of people treating Trump as a threat while democrats routinely do a lot worse, to threaten democracy, than Trump ever did
Can we get a Lucium-jbouton containment thread where no one else is allowed to post? That would make things much better from a readability standpoint.
I'd like to highlight the differences in context again. DT's crimes are personal, civil, and criminal. There's some lawsuits versus the federal government.
If an organized gathering of several thousand people, to "stop the steal" where they literally attack the capitol and delay congress from certifying the results of democracy isn't threatening democracy, what is?
Trump did NOT attempt to overtun the results of an election *by abusing executive powers*. It's not even indicted for that. Why do you keep claiming that? Trump might have tried to contoct a scheme outside of government to overturn the results of an election. Not an abuse of executive powers though. Y
The nearly 100-page indictment details dozens of acts by Trump or his allies to undo his defeat, including beseeching Georgia's Republican secretary of state to find enough votes for him to win the battleground state; harassing an election worker who faced false claims of fraud; and attempting to persuade Georgia lawmakers to ignore the will of voters and appoint a new slate of electoral college electors favorable to Trump.
In one particularly brazen episode, it also outlines a plot involving one of his lawyers to access voting machines in a rural Georgia county and steal data from a voting machine company.
The indictment alleges that rather than abide by Georgia's legal process for election challenges, the defendants engaged in a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn Georgia's presidential election result” Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, whose office brought the case, said at a late-night news conference.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia...
That is an abuse of his executive powers. He didn't perform these acts as a private citizen. He performed them as POTUS.
The fifth circuit cour of appeal found that :
“Ultimately, we find the district court did not err in determining that several officials — namely the White House, the Surgeon General, the CDC, and the FBI — likely coerced or significantly encouraged social-media platforms to moderate content, rendering those decisions state actions. In doing so, the officials likely violated the First Amendment.”
You claimed the government "violently coherced and threatened all the major social media companies". The quote you provided says "likely coerced or significantly encouraged". Where is the support for you claim that the court found the government "violently coherced and threatened"?
And that quote you attributed to the court is not an adjudication or finding of fact. It is only a preliminary opinion to allow the case to move forward. Notice how they used the word "likely". Have you ever seen a criminal trial where after a conviction the judge said to the defendant "You have been convicted of likely committing a crime"?
I am old enough to remember when Trump being found by a court to "likely have raped Carroll" allowed us to call him a sexual assaulter.
You're conflating a civil with a criminal case.
We aren't talking immigration policies, we are talking not applying the law to achieve different immigration outcomes than those voted by and approved by congress. In a country where: 1) federal representation in the house is based upon the number of residents in an area including illegal immigrants and 2) illegal immigrants having children in the USA creates new citizens (and so voters), immigration policies are core rule of law issues tha
It's no more a threat to democracy than gerrymandering, and that's being very generous to your argument.
This exhaustingly lazy white wing trope of ‘if they can do this to trump they can do this to anyone’ is just comical. I mean ya, if you run for President and pay off a pornstar using illegal tactics and actually have a paper trail that proves that then ya i guess they can come for you too
This exhaustingly lazy white wing trope of ‘if they can do this to trump they can do this to anyone’ is just comical. I mean ya, if you run for President and pay off a pornstar using illegal tactics and actually have a paper trail that proves that then ya i guess they can come for you too
Not surprising when you consider these are the same people duped into believing a wealthy, lifelong Democrat Manhattanite like Trump would understand let alone care about protecting their blue-collar, conservative way of life.
Not surprising when you consider these are the same people duped into believing a wealthy, lifelong Democrat Manhattanite like Trump would understand let alone care about protecting their blue-collar, conservative way of life.
As I said upthread, a lot of people, especially in a forum like this, fail to realise quite how dumb "below median IQ" really is.
Not surprising when you consider these are the same people duped into believing a wealthy, lifelong Democrat Manhattanite like Trump would understand let alone care about protecting their blue-collar, conservative way of life.
Well he nominated judges that actually reversed roe and increased 2a protections, things that do protect the conservative way of life.
A lot of people correctly had doubts at the beginning but then he nominated 3 decent (for the right) judges , that's a fact. Also a thing used by opponents to criticize him ofc.
But you can't both criticize him for picking judges that abhor liberal ethics and then for being an actual liberal infiltrated at the top of GOP lol
Well he nominated judges that actually reversed roe and increased 2a protections, things that do protect the conservative way of life.
A lot of people correctly had doubts at the beginning but then he nominated 3 decent (for the right) judges , that's a fact. Also a thing used by opponents to criticize him ofc.
But you can't both criticize him for picking judges that abhor liberal ethics and then for being an actual liberal infiltrated at the
He's not an actual anything. He's an empty vessel that says or does whatever he thinks will get him approbation and adulation from his cult.
A lot of people, myself included, feel similarly about Trump and his supporters as to how you feel about Marxists, perhaps stopping shy of the cold blooded murder part.
I'd like to highlight the differences in context again. DT's crimes are personal, civil, and criminal. There's some lawsuits versus the federal government.
If an organized gathering of several thousand people, to "stop the steal" where they literally attack the capitol and delay congress from certifying the results of democracy isn't threatening democracy, what is?
Ordering the military to do so, or ordering law enforcement not to enforce the law , or using executive agencies illegally against congressional mandate to pursue unconstitutional outcomes, or trying to appropriate money as the executive congress hasn't voted for to pay your political supporters, stuff like that.
Using the powers the constitution gives you illegally against the separation of power principle, and/or against constitutionally protected rights.
Also keep in mind Trump didn't order those thousands of civilians to attack the capitol and he is not indicted for that
Nobody in the history of literally god damn anything has less moral conviction and more ‘I’ll say or do whatever gets me power’ than literally Donald trump
Lock her up? They chanted it so finally he made that a rally cry
They’re coming for you im just in their way? Literally a meme shitposters have shared for 8 years before he finally decided ‘hey that sounds cool’
He championed how quickly he got the covid vax out there til he realized his base was starting to boo him for it and now has never brought it again except to say it’s evil
The guy was literally a registered democrat for the vast majority of his life and only changed cuz there’s more money and power in pandering to the ignorant ‘high IQ people’ who don’t want to do any critical thinking and just want to believe their failures as human beings is cuz of the derp state or immigrants and think it’s way more fun to think those QAnon theories or posts that are megaphone’d by a cabal of Twitter bots shilling Bitcoin are a look into reality (see also: Musk, Elon)
He has been on both sides of quite honestly every single issue since the first time he ran for president when he announced it at the end of a Comedy Central roast
Only a rube would believe this clown gives a **** about them. He’s little more than an avatar for people like fgators, BJ, lozen, playbig etc etc etc etc etc who want a candidate whose legitimacy means it’s ok to just deny reality cuz they’re white men and awesome or just attack people cuz it’s fun
**** em all. You reap what you sow
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And that quote you attributed to the court is not an adjudication or finding of fact. It is only a preliminary opinion to allow the case to move forward. Notice how they used the word "likely". Have you ever seen a criminal trial where after a conviction the judge said to the defendant "You have been convicted of likely committing a crime"?
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It's not a criminal case. The court agreed the violation had likely happened and was likely to keep happening and ordered the government to stop any contact with social media companies related to the flagging or censorship of any content whose distribution didn't violate laws.
There is no conviction possible unfortunately as I mentioned, the best we can hope for is for courts to order the government to stop abusing the first amendment that way.
Which the court of appeal did.
Unfortunately SCOTUS stayed the order and is now deliberating on the matter.
For the public employees you mention, if the action is found unconstitutional, at a very very minimum to lose their jobs yes (and be banned from public employment and office for life).
Cops and prosecutors in your list probably qualify, not sure a clerk has a mandate to allow anyone to use public space no matter what, it's a scarce resource that can be used according to the will of the people discriminating some users over others (i think).
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I think all the innkeepers, club owners and restaurant owners forced to permit black patrons in the 50s and 60s or have been sued for racial discrimination would disagree with you. Perhaps Luciontopia doesn’t have a commerce clause.
So we can also kick out all those state legislatures that vote for laws that are deemed unconstitutional too.
Rainingmen I get you are angry he capped your SALT deductions
He's not an actual anything. He's an empty vessel that says or does whatever he thinks will get him approbation and adulation from his cult.
A lot of people, myself included, feel similarly about Trump and his supporters as to how you feel about Marxists, perhaps stopping shy of the cold blooded murder part.
Maybe we will get lucky and Trump and his Trumpettes will block traffic during their protest….
I think all the innkeepers, club owners and restaurant owners forced to permit black patrons in the 50s and 60s or have been sued for racial discrimination would disagree with you. Perhaps Luciontopia doesn’t have a commerce clause.
So we can also kick out all those state legislatures that vote for laws that are deemed unconstitutional too.
Those sued for racial discrimination were sued because of acts of Congress not the constitution lol.
The constitution doesn't forbid private individuals discrimination of others.
And laws come with their own associated punishment went broken as normal.
What is sorely lacking though is punishment for breaking the constitution.
Remember when that dumbass bitch who played stupid games and got shot in the head for storming the Capitol was a rally cry by the mad whites and now is just a complete and total afterthought everyone has forgotten about?
Ya trump cares about you. Give him your paycheck
Remember when that dumbass bitch who played stupid games and got shot in the head for storming the Capitol was a rally cry by the mad whites and now is just a complete and total afterthought everyone has forgotten about?
Ya trump cares about you
a bunch of crazies tried to brute force her headstone into Arlington cemetery just last weekend..
Define ‘a bunch’ cuz I can’t remember the last time her name was uttered by anyone of actual consequence
Also does that mean they defiled and destroyed her headstone? Cuz if so *chefs kiss*
A private individual can't violate the constitution, the constitution is literally just a list of what government can't do to you.
Of all the amusing theories you make up, this is probably the dumbest. If we only had cite or ban. The constitution defines the powers of the branches of federal and state government and provides a list of personal rights that the government can’t infringe on, all of which has been further defined by case law for 200 years.
Those sued for racial discrimination were sued because of acts of Congress not the constitution lol.
The constitution doesn't forbid private individuals discrimination of others.
And laws come with their own associated punishment went broken as normal.
What is sorely lacking though is punishment for breaking the constitution.
Cite or ban, you outdid yourself again.
