Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
Yes i am expanding on that to clarify. I think the element of "the war is still ongoing only thanks to us" is relevant.
Which is the "pacifist" pov: they prefer an Ukraine subjugated by Putin to an ongoing war.
BGP what would the US response be if Russia put missiles close to our border… let’s say they put missiles in Cuba for example
What would our response be and why?
PW: why are you asking that question when USA did not put missiles in Ukraine? At what point was USA putting missiles in Ukraine and why?
You first please
This would mean that pretty much every war is a proxy war, and Russia is a N. Korean proxy. It's such a loose definition that it loses all meaning.
Thats not a loss of meaning it makes complete sense and it won't be long before this thread is deleted too and china is becomes understood to have been acting supra to russia.
Why can't proxy have a definition that doesn't fall apart in this thread?
The US wars against N Korea and Vietnam were proxy wars against Russia and China
No they weren't. china only helped Vietnam a tad then stopped almost immediately.
Russia and China started hating each other around that time and Chinese role in Vietnam dramatically reduced after 1968.
Which btw is why they even had a short war in 1979.
You would be right if China had sustained efforts to keep north Vietnam active for years but that wasn't the case
No, the UK was fighting Germany on its own account, and succeeding quite well. Germany's defeat in the Battle of Britain had nothing to do with the US. And the US couldn't have entered the European war without Britain.
If by succeeding fairly well you mean not having enough pilots to control the Channel and Dunkirk then sure
No they weren't. china only helped Vietnam a tad then stopped almost immediately.
Russia and China started hating each other around that time and Chinese role in Vietnam dramatically reduced after 1968.
Which btw is why they even had a short war in 1979.
You would be right if China had sustained efforts to keep north Vietnam active for years but that wasn't the case
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in...
Wrong lol. They gave them like a billion cash and 300,000 soldiers. Not to mentions arms etc
Why did you think otherwise?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in...
Wrong lol. They gave them like a billion cash and 300,000 soldiers. Not to mentions arms etc
Why did you think otherwise?
Your own link shows 1968 Chinese intervention vs 1969 was almost half, and it went close to 0 in 1970
Only helped a tad is not accurate imo but hey I could be wrong
Because the actual definition does not fit the unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine. When you start contorting the definition in order to make it fit it falls apart.
I'll say what I said the last time this got brought up: pretend you are correct and this is a proxy war, so what?
So that's your end point with all of this? It's all an attack on me?
Proxy war or not doesn’t excuse Russias actions
Im pretty sure this all ties into bitcoin somehow, still waiting to see how.
Russia shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine after getting Ukraine to surrender its nukes
So then you've been helping cover the truth as it builds into the real war that the proxy fighting and 'unprovoked' narrative were hiding from the general public.
This clearly explains that the point of your conspiracy theories itt are to attack me and prove me wrong. How am I reading this incorrectly?
If you have a greater point then state it. You will not be able to get 100% of the thread on board with you before you state whatever it is your are planning to say. Just look at the conspiracy theory nonsense and regurgitated Russian propaganda that I've been dealing with the entire time here. I still manage to make points, at least try to make yours.
There is no narrator of this thread, that's another conspiracy theory. I make my points, which stand on merit.
You allude at points and any time you try to add merit to them I shoot them with facts and you hide behind "I didn't say that, other people did." And then hide behind "but everyone knows it's true."
Put yourself out there, say what you're going to say.
This clearly explains that the point of your conspiracy theories itt are to attack me and prove me wrong. How am I reading this incorrectly?
If you have a greater point then state it. You will not be able to get 100% of the thread on board with you before you state whatever it is your are planning to say. Just look at the conspiracy theory nonsense and regurgitated Russian propaganda that I've been dealing with the entire time here. I still
You know what I think. I think you are going to be removed from this thread soon, because your higher-ups are going to find out you got everyone caught.
I don't know what you think. Quit telling me what I know. Here is what I do know: a bunch of the **** you are posting itt is objectively false. I also know the graveyard where your previously debunked nonsense is located because I personally buried many of your past arguments there. I know that you are scared to try new arguments because facts will kill those arguments too.
There is no grand 2p2 conspiracy to keep you down. I say this sincerely, do not peotect yourself by saying this is an insult: you need to get mental help.
I don't know what you think. Quit telling me what I know. Here is what I do know: a bunch of the **** you are posting itt is objectively false. I also know the graveyard where your previously debunked nonsense is located because I personally buried many of your past arguments there. I know that you are scared to try new arguments because facts will kill those arguments too.
There is no grand 2p2 conspiracy to keep you down. I say this sincer
To be clear, the hidden posts that debunk me are in a graveyard?
The problem with your narrative is I want ACCESS to those posts. Because the narrative you were painting doesn't fit anymore. And I want to show everyone.
My argument isn't hidden either, its that this was a covert build up into a US ally based attack on Russia. Its starting to be said in more mainstream media now. It was just outlandish sounding because of the controlled narrative.
You did not have a single argument that was not debunked. If anyone should be pissed off about having that thread deleted, it is me. Your argument devolved into "Everyone knows Russia had to invade because of bitcoin" or some nonsense like that. The facts placed your arguments into the metaphorical graveyard before the thread accidentally was deleted.
The narrative I'm painting (the truth) does still fit. You do not need access to debunked posts to state your narrative (conspiracy theory Russian propaganda). You can state it right now. You can show it right now and let everyone (again) decide that it's nonsense.
So far you have not shown anything close to evidence that this was a "covert build up into a US ally based attack on Russia". Just a casual reminder: RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. Show your evidence and see if it stands on its own merit, or if you're going to just hide behind "people keep silencing me by allowing me to post whatever I want even though it's derailing the thread into Russian propaganda land again" and "everyone knows I'm right though" despite no one actually belivieng that, including the useful idiots you get this nonsense from.
