ex-President Trump

ex-President Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:

a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?

b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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I agree this Sabatini guy is mistaken: he should run for AG on that platform, not for Congress.

Btw the idea is that once they do it, you can do it infinitely more times and it will be moral forever.

The right doesn't believe in proportional defense or response to aggression, it believes that an absolute moral right exists to defend yourself against aggression with absolutely no limit whatsover until you have fully neutralized the threat (and I agree 100% with that notion in general)


by Luciom P


The right doesn't believe in proportional defense or response to aggression, it believes that an absolute moral right exists to defend yourself against aggression with absolutely no limit whatsover until you have fully neutralized the threat (and I agree 100% with that notion in general)

Really surprising that most normal people think ardent right wingers are a bunch of cu**s.


by Luciom P

Man i am not referring to hunter laptop, rather to covid "misinformation" censorship on social media.

Lousiana district federal judge agrees with plaintiffs, 5th circuit court of appeal agrees as well (that the government illegally actd to censor, violating the 1st amendment).

The constitution of the USA *does not* allow the executive power to call a company that as a business model allows people to talk about stuff, and tell them what to cen

I have never seen this discussed here and it all sounds pretty silly to me.
The right already thinks that all the tech and social media companies support the agenda of the left. Why would they need to be threatened by the Biden administration to suppress information contradicting that?

Social media companies do what they want to do. Do you think Truth Social is also taking orders from the Biden administration?


by chillrob P


Do you think Truth Social is also taking orders from the Biden administration?

No, that's why Biden unleashed the lizard people to tank their stock ldo.


I’ve made it a point to never click ‘view post’ on anything lucicum posts but ya that is accidentally the most accurate thing hes ever said and a truly terrifying notion

These are people who believe in an absolute right to defend themselves with completely fabricated in their own mind threats they’re defending against

And yet somehow they’re surprised people hate them for being complete pieces of ****


by Luciom P

That when SCOTUS tells you executive power has been abused unconstitutionally, i would like for the perpetrators to go to jail or at the very minimum lose office (or employment if civil employees) and be banned from holding office for life (or for public employment).

SCOTUS is currently the worst source to believe about what is unconstitutional. It's a political organization that attempts to shape the laws towards the agenda of the right. None of their decisions are based on what is actually unconstitutional, and they're the ones who should be in jail.


by chillrob P

I have never seen this discussed here and it all sounds pretty silly to me.
The right already thinks that all the tech and social media companies support the agenda of the left. Why would they need to be threatened by the Biden administration to suppress information contradicting that?

Social media companies do what they want to do. Do you think Truth Social is also taking orders from the Biden administration?

I logged into a MuskTwitter account for a week and no matter how many alt right accounts that were forced into my feed that I blocked I can’t stop being inundated by alt right Twitter accounts

Gave up and just deleted my account

But ya, biden controls social media sure why not


by Luciom P

No they are accused of requesting (not asking) while threatening, and not only "covid misinformation".

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Facts of the case
Multiple plaintiffs, including epidemiologists, consumer and human rights advocates, academics, and media operators, claimed that various defendants, including numerous federal agencies and officials, have engaged in censorship, targeting conservative-leaning

So you don't think that calling a state elected official in charge of counting the votes for president and threatening him to change the count is an abuse of executive powers?


by Luciom P

I'd wait for polls to judge the extent of his recent losses (might be big, might be null)

What election did republicans won since 2016 while trump was at the helm . They did poorly in 2018-20-22.


by Luciom P

Ordering the military to do so, or ordering law enforcement not to enforce the law , or using executive agencies illegally against congressional mandate to pursue unconstitutional outcomes, or trying to appropriate money as the executive congress hasn't voted for to pay your political supporters, stuff like that.

Using the powers the constitution gives you illegally against the separation of power principle, and/or against constitutionally

Trump certainly didn’t try to use foreign judicial system like Ukraine to frame Biden either right ?


by Luciom P

Well he nominated judges that actually reversed roe and increased 2a protections, things that do protect the conservative way of life.

A lot of people correctly had doubts at the beginning but then he nominated 3 decent (for the right) judges , that's a fact. Also a thing used by opponents to criticize him ofc.

But you can't both criticize him for picking judges that abhor liberal ethics and then for being an actual liberal infiltrated at the

The "conservative way of life" consists of thinking you should control what other people do which has absolutely nothing to do with you, and to always be carrying a gun, with which to threaten those people doing things you don't like.

Trump rubber stamped his judicial nominations who were chosen by conservative think tanks.

And he is not actually a liberal or a conservative. His only goal is personal power and attention. He realized he could not get that from those who actually knew him, so he decided to join the republican party, where he could find more people gullible enough to fall for his antics.


by chillrob P

I have never seen this discussed here and it all sounds pretty silly to me.
The right already thinks that all the tech and social media companies support the agenda of the left. Why would they need to be threatened by the Biden administration to suppress information contradicting that?

Social media companies do what they want to do. Do you think Truth Social is also taking orders from the Biden administration?

There is countless references/evidence from the twitter files as I understand of government forcing social media to comply government censorship of truth. My understanding is the social media platforms are in fact legally compelled.

When jack ran twitter it was a concerted effort against the right/republicans etc mostly.

Saying its 'left' as a opposed to right would make one blind to what happened.

Also elon owns it now as X, but its no better in this regard. Which again is why its wrong to think of it as behind 'right' now because musk speaks out against biden. Its still INCREDIBLY controlled and controlling software. This will be known within about a year I think, they're making it very easy to organize crime on twitter.


by StoppedRainingMen P

But ya, biden controls social media sure why not

I don't think anyone believes biden controls anything.


by David Sklansky P

OK. But that is different than a jury in one state acquitting while a jury in another state convicts when the law and the facts are the same. Your examples concern different states wanting different laws. That a difference in values. But if the trial in two different states go 12-0 one way in state x and 12-0 the other way in state y that is very problematical if the law and facts are the same. Basically anyone who is convicted of any crime


It's an alarming symptom of what we already know. There is a very serious, potentially terminal geographical divide in the usa.


by StoppedRainingMen P

I logged into a MuskTwitter account for a week and no matter how many alt right accounts that were forced into my feed that I blocked I can’t stop being inundated by alt right Twitter accounts

Gave up and just deleted my account

But ya, biden controls social media sure why not

Yes the smallest of the major social media companies very recently moved to the median of American society (which is rightwing ).

This is what proves the democratic party doesn't control anything, even if anti white posts aren't censored on Facebook but any black ones are


by chillrob P

The "conservative way of life" consists of thinking you should control what other people do which has absolutely nothing to do with you, and to always be carrying a gun, with which to threaten those people doing things you don't like.

Trump rubber stamped his judicial nominations who were chosen by conservative think tanks.

And he is not actually a liberal or a conservative. His only goal is personal power and attention. He realized he could

If Trump rubber stamps actual conservative decisions, that's still proof trump does actually act in the interest of conservative values.

Nobody should care about what a politician is, the only thing that matters is what he does. And unlike in 2016, we have a track record now.

And trump is one of the least dangerous presidents possible if congress doesn't align with him. He just likes golf too much.

Now under the assumption the Senate will be republican, there is a strong case for a Biden presidency which is what I think would be best. a divided government with the Senate never accepting any compromise with democrats on anything which isn't a 100% conservative value, so almost nothing gets done, which is close to the best possible outcome for government.

I want a Biden presidency where the Senate doesn't accept any Biden name for any secretary position basically, that would be the dream.


by chezlaw P

It's an alarming symptom of what we already know. There is a very serious, potentially terminal geographical divide in the usa.

Maybe. But that is not what bothers me. Affirming the consequent and denying the antecedent are fallacies in both Texas and New York. No reason why those who pick juries in both places should avoid disqualifying people who fall for them (or incorrect analogies).


by David Sklansky P

Maybe. But that is not what bothers me. Affirming the consequent and denying the antecedent are fallacies in both Texas and New York. No reason why those who pick juries in both places should avoid disqualifying people who fall for them (or incorrect analogies).

I think it also bothers you that AI gives the beholder an unlimited power advantage in this regard.

All you need is metadata.


by David Sklansky P

Maybe. But that is not what bothers me. Affirming the consequent and denying the antecedent are fallacies in both Texas and New York. No reason why those who pick juries in both places should avoid disqualifying people who fall for them (or incorrect analogies).

How is any of this related to the present case? Or, to put it another way, what in the actual **** are you banging on about?


by David Sklansky P

Maybe. But that is not what bothers me. Affirming the consequent and denying the antecedent are fallacies in both Texas and New York. No reason why those who pick juries in both places should avoid disqualifying people who fall for them (or incorrect analogies).


if logic skills are required then I suspect you're at the stage of abolishing human juries. A lot of judges should be worried as well.


by chezlaw P

if logic skills are required then I suspect you're at the stage of abolishing human juries. A lot of judges should be worried as well.

And some poker book authors.


and some trolls


by David Sklansky P

Maybe. But that is not what bothers me. Affirming the consequent and denying the antecedent are fallacies in both Texas and New York. No reason why those who pick juries in both places should avoid disqualifying people who fall for them (or incorrect analogies).

There was absolutely zero reason to use the word ‘antecedent’ in this post


by chezlaw P

if logic skills are required then I suspect you're at the stage of abolishing human juries. A lot of judges should be worried as well.

How about having professional jurors?


by David Sklansky P

How about having professional jurors?

In a capitalist or socialist society?


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