President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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Yeah, I'm an evidence based guy.


by grizy P

Trump is known as an idiot and coward by pretty much every business partner he’s worked with, very likely including by his own daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared.

I think you need to produce some evidence to back up this claim.


Mr Rick Manafort was charged and convicted, then later pleaded guilty, of several felonies all related to his work with Yanukovich in Ukraine up to 2014. Undisclosed foreign bank accounts, tax evasion, missed registration as a foreign agent and so on and on.

Afaik he wasn't found guilty of any collusion with Russia nor he pleaded guilty to any such accusation.

I am not sure why you want to claim any russia collusion by any trump associate was proven in courts, because it (very famously) wasn't.

That said it's plausible Trump won't back Ukraine in the same way Biden does. He would very probably look for a deal unfavourable to Ukraine (like Russia keeps the donbass and crimea, and nothing is put in place to guarantee they won't attack again in the future) and then claim he solved the war and brought peace yes.

I am also not sure why you claim this

/ We have the best inflation rate of all industrial countries since Covid as a result of his policy. /

given that inflation in April 2024 was 3.5 in the USA, 2.5% in Japan , 1.4% in switzerland and 0.9% in Italy (yes prices in Italy in april 2024 were basically unchanged vs price in Italy in April 2023)

I am even LESS sure why you claim this

/Unemployment in the US is the lowest it has basically ever been for a significant time when recession had been predicted which is another miracle/

Given unemployment in the US was under 4% from Jan 2018 to feb 2020, with far lower deficits and far lower inflation. And that was a grand total of 11 years since the previous recession (yes the Obama/Trump recovery and macro cycle was the best ever).

It has been under 40% since Jan 2022 as well, true, but with massive deficits and inflation. It's very easy to keep unemployment low with massive deficits, problem is you aren't suppose to run deficits when inflation is over target. And it's just 4 years from last recession

There is nothing miracolous in giving up inflation targets and spending massively even when near full employment to keep the economy going for longer than the normal cycle would allow before a recession: it's a known populist strategy to try to kick the can down the road and push problems after an election cycle


Yeah, that post by Mr Rick is full of lies. There must be something about TDS that triggers people to lie like that. I know liberals generally lie a lot but when it comes to Trump they just can't seem to help themselves. It would probably take a proper scientific study to find out exactly what causes the phenomenon. I find it quite fascinating actually.


by Brian James P

Yeah, I'm an evidence based guy.

says the anti science guy...


by Brian James P

Yeah, that post by Mr Rick is full of lies. There must be something about TDS that triggers people to lie like that. I know liberals generally lie a lot but when it comes to Trump they just can't seem to help themselves. It would probably take a proper scientific study to find out exactly what causes the phenomenon. I find it quite fascinating actually.

we can say the same thing about maga with biden obsession shrug.


by Luciom P

Mr Rick Manafort was charged and convicted, then later pleaded guilty, of several felonies all related to his work with Yanukovich in Ukraine up to 2014. Undisclosed foreign bank accounts, tax evasion, missed registration as a foreign agent and so on and on.

Afaik he wasn't found guilty of any collusion with Russia nor he pleaded guilty to any such accusation.

I am not sure why you want to claim any russia collusion by any trump associate was

Actually u shouldnt do deficit while u have an expansionary economy...


by Montrealcorp P

we can say the same thing about maga with biden obsession shrug.

Nah, not to the same extent. TDS is a genuine mental illness I believe, which triggers sufferers to lie constantly about anything to do with Trump.

Most of what we say about Biden is factual. There is no need to lie about him because the truth is already bad enough.


by Brian James P

Yeah, I'm an evidence based guy.

True. You have proven to us over and over again that you have no clue what you are talking about about and are a partisan hack alt account for banned joe6pack. Your opinions are baseless and worthless here.


by Brian James P

Nah, not to the same extent. TDS is a genuine mental illness I believe, which triggers sufferers to lie constantly about anything to do with Trump.

Most of what we say about Biden is factual. There is no need to lie about him because the truth is already bad enough.

Agree what we see about trump .
He got convicted .
That’s evidence ….

Something that trump couldn’t to with his election stolen , etc.


by Montrealcorp P

Agree what we see about trump .
He got convicted .
That’s evidence ….

Something that trump couldn’t to with his election stolen , etc.

There's clear evidence it was a partisan political conviction which will be overturned on appeal. I agree.


by Brian James P

There's clear evidence it was a partisan political conviction which will be overturned on appeal. I agree.

I think rationally you shouldn't hope for that.

You should hope the case get set back to lower courts and tried again, that's possible.


by Brian James P

There's clear evidence it was a partisan political conviction which will be overturned on appeal. I agree.

Clear evidence lol? Sounds like someone has a chronic case of TDS to me.


by Brian James P

This is bullshit. Manafort wasn't convicted of colluding with Russia.

And Trump being Putin's puppet is just nonsense. There is zero evidence to support such a claim.

Manafort was convicted of colluding with some Ukranians who were basically Russian spies or agents or financially backed by Russia.

Trump is absolutely Putin's puppet. Whether its because Putin has a tape of Trump urinating on prostitutes in Moscow or for whatever reason Trump has held meetings with Putin without an interpreter. That is a first. And it means that nobody is going to know what is said between them.

Trump does seem to have strong support for other authoritarian leaders. But for whatever reason Trump caters to Putin's wishes. Like how Trump deals with NATO (which would be Putin's enemy).

[URL="https://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/"]Here is an article that describes a lot of Trump's ties to Russia:
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"The truth, as several columnists and reporters have painstakingly shown since the first hack of a Clinton-affiliated group took place in late May or early June, is that several of Trump’s businesses outside of Russia are entangled with Russian financiers inside Putin’s circle.

So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.

“The Trump-Russia links beneath the surface are even more extensive,” Max Boot wrote in the Los Angeles Times. “Trump has sought and received funding from Russian investors for his business ventures, especially after most American banks stopped lending to him following his multiple bankruptcies.”

"What’s more, three of Trump’s top advisors all have extensive financial and business ties to Russian financiers, wrote Boot, the former editor of the Op Ed page of the Wall Street Journal and now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Trump’s de facto campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was a longtime consultant to Viktor Yanukovich, the Russian-backed president of Ukraine who was overthrown in 2014. Manafort also has done multimillion-dollar business deals with Russian oligarchs. Trump’s foreign policy advisor Carter Page has his own business ties to the state-controlled Russian oil giant Gazprom. … Another Trump foreign policy advisor, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, flew to Moscow last year to attend a gala banquet celebrating Russia Today, the Kremlin’s propaganda channel, and was seated at the head table near Putin."

"But it is Trump’s financing from Russian satellite business interests that would seem to explain his pro-Putin sympathies."

"The most obvious example is Trump Soho, a complicated web of financial intrigue that has played out in court. A lawsuit claimed that the business group, Bayrock, underpinning Trump Soho was supported by criminal Russian financial interests. While its initial claim absolved Trump of knowledge of those activities, Trump himself later took on the group’s principal partner as a senior advisor in the Trump organization."


by Luciom P

Mr Rick Manafort was charged and convicted, then later pleaded guilty, of several felonies all related to his work with Yanukovich in Ukraine up to 2014. Undisclosed foreign bank accounts, tax evasion, missed registration as a foreign agent and so on and on.

Afaik he wasn't found guilty of any collusion with Russia nor he pleaded guilty to any such accusation.

I am not sure why you want to claim any russia collusion by any trump associate was

About Manafort, what he was convicted of was his relationship with a Ukranian leader who was backed by Russia. You can think what you want. During a campaign in which Russia actively broke into the DNC's emails and Clintons as well in order to help Trump win I assumed that Manafort (or other Trump aides) were part of this. Especially because there was a meeting with Russians in the Trump Tower the details of which were allegedly about orphans but in all likelihood was about dealing with the 2016 campaign.

My bad about ever. Its the last 50 years that Biden has the longest streak of unemployment at 4% or under.

"Biden said that on his watch, the unemployment rate has "been below 4% for the longest stretch in 50 years in American history."

This checks out. But by cutting off the comparison at 50 years, Biden excludes two longer stretches when unemployment was below 4%, in the 1950s and 1970s.

Biden’s precise phrasing makes his statement accurate, but it needs clarification. We rate it Mostly True."

I guess I was wrong about the inflation rate in the US compared to other industrial countries. I thought I had read that about inflation. Looking at it now it looks like the US is maybe 75% ahead of other countries but as noted Japan has done better. Italy right now is lower though perhaps was higher through most of it. US is similar to Germany and worse than Canada. Maybe it was "Western Industrial countries" that I had read... In any case I think that if Trump were president it would have been a lot worse without immigrants let in at the border.


by Brian James P

I think you need to produce some evidence to back up this claim.

He went through every reputable bank, law firm, and accounting firm in NYC because everyone he’s worked with ended up refusing to work with him again.

“Every” is an exaggeration but not by much. Take his banking partners for example. He used to bank with Goldman. He now needs financing from Axos for what should be pocket change for someone with his claimed net worth.


by Mr Rick P

Manafort was convicted of colluding with some Ukranians who were basically Russian spies or agents or financially backed by Russia.

Trump is absolutely Putin's puppet. Whether its because Putin has a tape of Trump urinating on prostitutes in Moscow or for whatever reason Trump has held meetings with Putin without an interpreter. That is a first. And it means that nobody is going to know what is said between them.

Trump does seem to have st

Again you are lying. Manafort was not convicted of collusion.

“The question of whether there was or was not any coordination or conspiracy or any collusion between anyone associated with the presidential campaign and anyone in Russia was not presented in this case. Period,” Judge Amy Berman Jackson said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/24/polit...


“Judge Jackson conceded that there was absolutely no evidence of any Russian collusion in this case," Downing said. "So that makes two courts, two courts have ruled no evidence of any collusion, of any Russians. Very sad day for such a callous, harsh sentence that is totally unnecessary.”

Downing was referring to Ellis' statements during the sentencing last week that Manafort's crimes were not connected to Russian election interference or any collusion by the Trump campaign.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politic...

As for Putin having a tape of Trump urinating on prostitutes. LOL

That was debunked as a lie a long time ago. You have absolutely zero evidence that Trump is Putin's puppet. So stop lying.


It looks like Europe is moving to the far right mostly due to the migrant problem. I suspect this is very bad news for Joe.


It's fairly rare to find something about domestic politics, 70% of americans agree with.

Well, Biden managed to do so. There is overwhelming support with his EO on the border. And mind, republicans disagreeing almost certainly wanted much more to be done, they aren't disagreeing with the direction of the EO.

Americans don't want illegal immigration



by Luciom P

It's fairly rare to find something about domestic politics, 70% of americans agree with.

Well, Biden managed to do so. There is overwhelming support with his EO on the border. And mind, republicans disagreeing almost certainly wanted much more to be done, they aren't disagreeing with the direction of the EO.

Americans don't want illegal immigration


I guess Republicans are not as strongly against illegal immigration as Democrats though, according to that poll.

Or maybe a lot of Republicans just say they don't like anything Biden does because that's what they have been told to do.


by chillrob P

I guess Republicans are not as strongly against illegal immigration as Democrats though, according to that poll.

Or maybe a lot of Republicans just say they don't like anything Biden does because that's what they have been told to do.

Or as i said, Biden EO is not enough.

Some republicans don't want entry points closed if they reach an avg of 2500 entries per day. They want them closed for good. They want asylum seekers to ask from OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY, then enter only if accepted.

They don't want to "hasten reimpatriation of some illegals".

They want all illegals put in prison the instant they are caught, then ALL reimpatriated.

If i ask for complete legalization of cannabis for all uses, and you decrease the sentencing guidelines for cannabis possession by 50%, i might very well express disagreement with your choice even if per se it's a marginal improvement, because it was the opportunity to legalize, and you wasted it on a minor improvement.


crazy false equivalence by Politico which puts Biden at the same level of 2 leaders who are disastrously behind in polls, one in particular guaranteed to be annihilated, while Biden only trails his opponent marginally with much more time before elections



Luciom, if you want an article to be discussed, you should post a link to it, not just a screen shot of the headline.


by chillrob P

Luciom, if you want an article to be discussed, you should post a link to it, not just a screen shot of the headline.

I want to discuss the absurd headline actually


Headlines are written to encourage clicks! Video at 11.


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