Israel/Palestine thread
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You see, the Israeli army has no moral agency over any of their actions. If they drop a bomb on a refugee tent, it's because Hamas mind control made them do it.
Israel is quite deliberate about who it drops bombs on. I assure you that civilian deaths are not as high as you are being told. How many of these folks are actually "civilians"? Gaza is not a "concentration camp" or an "open air prison". Gaza is a terrorist factory.
The IDF are bad asses! What a fantastic job getting the hostages out.
BTW...Hamas had months earlier said these hostages were killed during an Israeli raid. You folks may want to question what you hear.
How cool is the scene when they get them aboard the helicopter?
It's a beautiful thing seeing these folks reunited with their family. It's nice to see folks who don't live their life through eyes of hate. It's great that Bibi was there to greet them. This is a turning point in this war.
Multiple sources already indicated Hamas' amendments are the same demands they always had: complete withdrawal leaving Hamas in tact and give them money before hostages are released. There is no world where we could read that as acceptance of the terms as Biden described.
Sinwar doesn't want peace. He is happy to see Palestinian civilians die as martyrs for his cause.
Yeah I agree. We have seen this several times now. Both sides think time is on their side, I will be surprised if anything comes of this.
It's interesting how careful the White House was with how the negotiations were reported after the media posted clickbait headlines about "hamas agreed to settlement" when really they were offering a counter settlement.
They want it to be very clear that Hamas is holding out.
Btw if you ever attack myself, my family, my relatives or my friends I don't care what your morals are I am going to do everything in my power to kill you, disregarding any colletaral damage, and it will be the most moral action of my life.
That's the rightwing ethos.
Why do you (like Victor) ruin basically correct thoughts with ridiculous elaborations? Almost everyone would kill almost anybody to save their child. But if the person killed was innocent, they wouldn't think it was the most moral action of their life. They wouldn't even think that if the person was not completely innocent (a drunk driver for instance.) They would be quite happy if their act was considered not immoral.
Why do you (like Victor) ruin basically correct thoughts with ridiculous elaborations? Almost everyone would kill almost anybody to save their child. But if the person killed was innocent, they wouldn't think it was the most moral action of their life. They wouldn't even think that if the person was not completely innocent (a drunk driver for instance.) They would be quite happy if their act was considered not immoral.
bold might have been true a while ago (maybe, not sure), definitely isn't today
I am not ordering anything at all, rather making it clear you don't care too much about the death penalty in reality
It's not up to you to tell other people what their views are on things, especially when they've made those views abundantly clear.
You're way overstepping the mark here.
To be clear:
I am against acts of terror against civilians
I am against the death penalty
Any more of these lies from people here and the mods can handle it
Response for the commander IDF killed
It's not up to you to tell other people what their views are on things, especially when they've made those views abundantly clear.
You're way overstepping the mark here.
To be clear:
I am against acts of terror against civilians
I am against the death penalty
Any more of these lies from people here and the mods can handle it
I believe these are true.
But you also seem to be against anyone taking action in an attempt to stop those acts of terror.
This 'turn the other cheek' attitude is found virtuous by some people, but it's one that most don't have and it's not very effective at staying alive.
It certainly didn't work for the best known person who preached about it.
"I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."
No one's talking about turning the other cheek, wtf?. I believe (and know from terror here) that if you try to clamp down even harder on people the reaction will continue or even intensify. Even if Hamas was completely eradicated from Gaza (which is impossible because the Israelis can't even differentiate between who is and isn't Hamas) then attacks from other areas and countries would intensify.
If you want to end Hamas you have to grant the Palestinians their own state with all the rights to self-determination that means. And to get there you need regime change in Israel, clearly.
I honestly have no idea how anyone could think that the Palestinians having their own state would "end Hamas". In what way would Hamas end? Why would they not likely govern the new state? Why would they stop attacking Israel? Their goal is not a small Palestinian state, but "from the river to the sea".
Someone upthread said that this conflict will not end until every member of Hamas is killed.
But we all know that wouldn't stop the conflict. I'm going to say what everyone here should know deep down, even though they don't want to admit it.
Even if every resident of Gaza is killed, this conflict will not end. Even if every Palestinian is killed, this conflict will not end. This conflict has never been between Palestinians and Israelis, but between all Muslim states in the region and Israel.
This conflict will not end until every Israeli is killed.
No one's talking about turning the other cheek, wtf?. I believe (and know from terror here) that if you try to clamp down even harder on people the reaction will continue or even intensify. Even if Hamas was completely eradicated from Gaza (which is impossible because the Israelis can't even differentiate between who is and isn't Hamas) then attacks from other areas and countries would intensify.
If you want to end Hamas you have to grant th
how many acts of islamic terror organized in foreign countries happened after 9 11, in the USA?
history is full of ideologies which were stamped out by stronger forces
i dont think the gazan people are inherently predisposed to antisemitism or terrorism, and so once their antisemitic terrorist leaders are lying dead on the ground we can make some progress
If you want to end Hamas you have to grant the Palestinians their own state with all the rights to self-determination that means. And to get there you need regime change in Israel, clearly.
Why do you think giving Palestinians a state would stop the terror? Lebanon is a state and they do terror attacks against Israel from there
How many acts of islamic terror organized in foreign countries happened in Italy, after we proudly helped the USA defeat the Talibans?
And what has Iraq to do with the topic at all? the acts of terror were organized in afghanistan
Why do you think giving Palestinians a state would stop the terror? Lebanon is a state and they do terror attacks against Israel from there
Because that's what they say they want, and because it's obviously the right thing to do.
If that fails to achieve peace then give everyone in Israel, Gaza and the WB the option of a US, Australian or Canadian passport and end it that way.
