Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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it seems likely that most gazans are just like most people in that they want a good life for themselves and their families
they need leaders who can convince them that this is achievable without first applying holocaust 2.0. goes without saying that this wont be their current leaders
It might be 90% who would like a state, or to Israel to "**** off" and stuff like that, but i don't think it's 90% at all willing to use violence to achieve their preferences.
Especially not among women which are half of the population.
We may be talking about different things. I was thinking of those who had expressed desires of harming Israelis, not necessarily of being willing to be violent themselves.
it seems likely that most gazans are just like most people in that they want a good life for themselves and their families
they need leaders who can convince them that this is achievable without first applying holocaust 2.0. goes without saying that this wont be their current leaders
First sentence describes most people around the world including Gazans. Problem is it isn't achievable while you're living in a prison camp.
it seems likely that most gazans are just like most people in that they want a good life for themselves and their families
they need leaders who can convince them that this is achievable without first applying holocaust 2.0. goes without saying that this wont be their current leaders
I don't think they are as willing to put the disputes of their grandfathers away to get that good life as are most people.
it seems likely that most gazans are just like most people in that they want a good life for themselves and their families
they need leaders who can convince them that this is achievable without first applying holocaust 2.0. goes without saying that this wont be their current leaders
By allowing Hamas a spot in governance, it is hoped that this limits the leaders who want Holocaust 2.0 because the rest of the organization that wants to lead a good life for themselves and their families will pressure the military part not to screw things up
By allowing Hamas a spot in governance, it is hoped that this limits the leaders who want Holocaust 2.0 because the rest of the organization that wants to lead a good life for themselves and their families will pressure the military part not to screw things up
The political part is the people who keep their hostages in their homes
There is no game: you can leave when you want, so it's not a prison.
PW asked the same question, i will answer the same: leave like millions of people already did (and like hundreds of millions did in the past from many countries which sucked to places that sucked less)
Population figures
Main article: Palestinian people
It is estimated that more than 6 million Palestinians live in a global diaspora.[14]
The countries outside the Palestinian territories with significant Palestinian populations are:
Jordan 3,240,000
Israel 1,650,000
Syria 630,000
Chile 500,000 (largest Palestinian community outside the Middle East).
Lebanon 402,582
Saudi Arabia 280,245
Egypt 270,245
United States 255,000 (the largest concentrations in Chicago, Detroit and Los Angeles; History of Palestinians in Los Angeles).
Honduras 250,000
Guatemala est. 200,000
Mexico 120,000
Qatar 100,000
Germany 80,000
Kuwait 80,000
El Salvador 70,000
Brazil 59,000
Iraq 57,000
Yemen 55,000
Canada 50,975
Australia 45,000
Libya 44,000
Puerto Rico est. 30,000
Greece est. 30,000
United Kingdom 20,000
Peru 19,000
Denmark 15,000
Colombia 12,000
Japan est. 10,000
Paraguay 10,000
Netherlands 9,000
Sweden 7,000
Algeria 4,030
Austria 4,010
Norway 3,825
The rest of Latin America, India, Russia, Sub-Saharan Africa and East Asia has fairly small Palestinian populations. [citation needed]
The majority of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians in the European Union (EU) are in Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden. Outside the EU is the United Kingdom, Norway and Switzerland. Germany's capital Berlin has one of the largest Palestinian communities outside of the Middle East with about 30,000-40,000 people of Palestinian origin residing in the city (~1% of the total population).[15]
In the United States, this includes a Palestinian community of 800-1,000 in Gallup, New Mexico, highly involved in the area's Southwest jewelry industry.[16] [citation needed]
By allowing Hamas a spot in governance, it is hoped that this limits the leaders who want Holocaust 2.0 because the rest of the organization that wants to lead a good life for themselves and their families will pressure the military part not to screw things up
in april 1945, himmler made secret contact with a swedish aristocrat. he had an offer for the allies
he said the german people would not accept denazification and that the allies would face a thousand years of insurgency, but that if the allies left him in charge he could help ease the transition (there was also some stuff about germany and the allies teaming up against stalin)
no deal then, and no deal now
Hamas has been recruiting and indoctrinating orphans into their rank and file for decades.
To them, as Sinwar (and some of the “more moderate” political leaders in the past) has (have said), martyrdom is preferable to peaceful co-existence.
Hamas needs to go. Its successors need to be crushed. And the brainwashed, homicidal, and suicidal parts of Palestinian populations need to be suppressed so there is room for the “collaborators” to actually govern.
Hamas has been recruiting and indoctrinating orphans into their rank and file for decades.
To them, as Sinwar (and some of the “more moderate” political leaders in the past) has (have said), martyrdom is preferable to peaceful co-existence.
Ok, looks like they can be added to Luciom's death list. How many does that make now?
https://x.com/AOC/status/180059917842451...
I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who waas elected by Leopards Eating People's Faces Party voters
Hamas needs to go. Its successors need to be crushed. And the brainwashed, homicidal, and suicidal parts of Palestinian populations need to be suppressed so there is room for the “collaborators” to actually govern.
Crushing the successors will be done in the same manner, involving lots of destruction and death, which assures that there's plenty of recruits for the next successor too.
loads of vids out there of AOC getting harassed in the streets for not being antisemitic enough. standard far left i am purer than thou behavior
You mean for being a hypocritical supporter of fascism.
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Masih Alinejad is an amazing woman whom all Americans should hear.
Broken YouTube LinkYemen is a mess
Lebanon is a mess
Syria is chummy with the worst of them and is a launching ground for violence
Iraq is a mess
Gaza is a mess
It's almost like they have something in common. We talk about who is colonizing who, and we don't talk about this
Spoiler
THAT is the brutal expansionary colonizer of the region. Any denying of that is denying reality in the forms of 100 page reports from every respectable think tank across the spectrum in both Europe, the Middle East, and the Americas. It's not racist to talk about this issue.
https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/makin...
Yasmine Mohammed and Masih Alinejad are brilliant in this podcast (In 2023, TIME named Alinejad one of the Women of the Year).
In a few days I'll post some of the parts I thought were the most impactful coming from two women with the backgrounds they have. I encourage some of you to listen to it before I comment. Firstly, because it's a brilliant piece of content sure to enrich your lives. But also because we'll be able to have a more productive discussion. THIS issue from this thread fits right into it.
