Israel/Palestine thread
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Fellas, when the ordinary meaning of basic English words threatens your worldview, it's time to reconsider your politics.
Fellas, when the ordinary meaning of basic English words threatens your worldview, it's time to reconsider your politics.
Trollson ,
Britannica Dictionary definition of RAPE. [+ object] : to force (someone) to have sex with you by using violence or the threat of violence.
For a lot of people for a long time, rape was strictly and only violent, non consensual , dick into vagina full stop.
For a long while it wasn't even obvious nonconsensual nonviolent (unconscious or drunk woman) was rape !
For a long while it wasn't even obvious men could be considered raped in any way
For a long while rape was something that could lead to a pregnancy
And many countries moved to the more general use of sexual violence exactly to emcompass many sexual behaviours that wouldn't have been understood as rape by most people for most of history in most of the world.
Even Trump alleged acts (nonconsensual fingering) with Carroll weren't considered rape in NYS at the time they allegedly happened as the judge had to remind you guys.
You know all this perfectly well. You know perfectly well many people if they hear rape they think a violent man inserting his dick into a non consenting woman. Maybe nowadays all orifices will automatically be considered rape by most people yes.
This doesn't in any way diminish the gravity of the acts discussed, you can claim they are the worst thing ever if you want.
But you know the BLATANT attempt by people who keep saying IDF raped a lot, is to IMPLY THEIR SOLDIERS HAD FORCED SEX WITH PALESTINIAN WOMEN IN MASS. Which didn't happen.
Because Hamas did that to israeli women in mass, systematically, so people need to create the idea IDF did the same.
Instead what IDF allegedly did was using sexual violence toward MEN TERRORIST PRISONERS. Which you can consider horrific as much as you want but isn't raping of civilian women.
The UN report used the word "rape" when referring to the actions of Hamss, but not when referring to the actions of Israelis. If you think they should have I guess you should take it up with them.
And they specify women, as the targets of Hamas et al, while they don't talk gender about the purported victims of IDF sexual violence (which means it was the men prisoners)
I don't know what contradictions in set theory has to do with this discussion.
I meant that that our esteemed moderator would likely not approve of someone here calling another poster a coward. She may not even approve of the vague implication that some here are cowards, but I guess Grizy decided to take that risk.
It seems to me that you're not following. We've been talking about the UN report. It clearly said Hamas committed rapes, but it did not say that Israelis commited rapes.
I'm 99% sure that you knew that though, and that this post was one of your many that just avoid things you don't like and attempt to distract with insults.
That inserting objects is not the same as inserting your genitals , and that's true as well in some jurisdictions and was true in most of them until recently.
You don't have sex with someone else, semantically, if you only insert object in their orifices. In order to have sex with someone, semantically, your own genitals must play a part in the activity.
twitter thread on how the squirrel account, the one Jalfrezy used as a source repeatedly in this thread, and recently to talk about the UN report, is a blatant manipulator who this time edited the screenshots to remove the parts of the UN report which described Hamas et al raping activity.
https://x.com/AGHamilton29/status/180122...
I strongly suggest jalfrezi to stop using that account as a source.
Also the summary posted above the screen shot claims the opposite of what the document actually says.
Honestly that's probably why jalfrezi thought he was vindicated, because he saw that before seeing the actual report. It certainly is not a trustworthy source.
I don't know what contradictions in set theory has to do with this discussion.
I meant that that our esteemed moderator would likely not approve of someone here calling another poster a coward. She may not even approve of the vague implication that some here are cowards, but I guess Grizy decided to take that risk.
I totally agree with that and under fhe present rules it’s clearly not allowed.
But you don’t see the funny side of saying that about posters while not naming them?
"Sodomy" is too vague to determine if it fits that definition. An assault with a broom certainly would not.
OK, the dictionary definition of rape contradicts you, but I appreciate you finding your way back to the flow of the conversation.
That inserting objects is not the same as inserting your genitals , and that's true as well in some jurisdictions and was true in most of them until recently.
You don't have sex with someone else, semantically, if you only insert object in their orifices. In order to have sex with someone, semantically, your own genitals must play a part in the activity.
This is wrong, but at least I understand what you're trying to say now.
I totally agree with that and under fhe present rules it’s clearly not allowed.
But you don’t see the funny side of saying that about posters while not naming them?
Yes, but if your question was a joke then it went over my head, along with Russell's Paradox.
Oddly though, within the last few months I watched a YouTube video about the contradictions in set theory and the paradox. I found it very interesting despite not having a lot of interest in abstract mathematics and finding it to have no real world applications.
Broken YouTube LinkOK, the dictionary definition of rape contradicts you, but I appreciate you finding your way back to the flow of the conversation.
This is wrong, but at least I understand what you're trying to say now.
I'm sure some definitions of rape include that kind of thing, but not the one from Britannica that Luciom quoted.
I'm sure some definitions of rape include that kind of thing, but not the one from Britannica that Luciom quoted.
That's because he deliberately left this out.
In 2012 the U.S. Department of Justice adopted a new definition of rape, to be used in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting program, that better reflected state criminal codes and the experiences of rape victims. By that definition, rape is “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/rape-cr...
Here's what dictionary.com has to say
noun
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the person subjected to such penetration. sexual assault.
any sexual activity, with or without penetration, that takes place without the consent of one of the people involved.
statutory rape ( def ).
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation:
the rape of the countryside.
Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force:
The rape of the Sabine women is the subject of several classical sculptures and paintings that depict Roman soldiers kidnapping unwilling brides.
Glad we updated that as a society
yes so in the USA, very recently, it's rape.
Which means it isn't for a lot of other people and it isn't in a lot of other jurisdictions
