The costs of trans visibility

Parents that have a 1 year baby introducing it to pepole as 'they' because they didn't want to set the gender themselves.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

One can participate without being part of the LGTBQ etc set. I'm asking then if the infant, whos parents decided would be genderless until the child chose for themselves, is thus in the set.

I'm certain those people exist, even if just in small numbers.

I am not at all certain that those people will ever procreate.

There was a video going around recently that showed some crazy woman spouting off that she'd make absolutely certain any boys she had would turn out gay or trans, because cis men are evil. No reason to doubt her sincerity, but every reason to doubt she'll find someone to hit it raw.

Parents raising their children as genderless, if it is happening, is a great thing. I have always thought that should be the case and have probably expressed it here before.
I certainly had not denied that, and this is the first time you have brought that up.

I don't know who "the llm's" are, but I am a native English speaker who never has trouble with people not understanding me.

I am a professional poker player who in the last two days discussed set theory here in this forum. No one else uses the word 'set' when talking about groups of people, and it's a very unclear way to discuss this.

Thanks for the clarifications. So it seems you've moved away from the Pride parade question, which I think is good because it just caused confusion around the fact that anyone can be at Pride events. If your question is just that whether we should consider an infant to be LGBTQ+ because they are being raised by their parents in a genderless way, I can't imagine many people would.

Jbouton has a thing for relying on AI like ChatGPT (large language model) to provide answers for him, sometimes in what I think are less than optimal situations.

1 - I have never heard of this happening. Has someone introduced you to their baby while describing it as "they"? If not, why do you believe it has been happening?

2 - Why is it important whether the baby is considered to be part of the LGBT community or not? I certainly don't care about that, and no one else here seems to either. Who would determine whether or not the baby is a part of that group anyway?

Ok, then lets go the parade with it.

Cause that's where the nuance gets difficult. You see I'm asking for the parents that didn't think this far...

They take their genderless baby to a parade and meet people... its a big event that is support important because of the marginalization of the people in the set we are discussing. It means something. Its important because of the difficulty and abuse people have when they are simply just 'different'.

So it really make sense that they face this question. Is our child in the set at this parade.

To ignore the question, I think shows the true intent of people here.

Its superior at analyzing grammar and sentence structure etc. My use of language is far superior to chillrobs for sure.

so you think that autism has dramatically ramped up

or that the amount of people tested for it has dramatically ramped up and since it's a subjective and sprectrum issue you're going to get a lot of people getting the label who otherwise have no real issues in life

nevermind that this is from "autism parenting magazine" nothing to see here folks, there's clearly no massive influx in parents seeking out autism diagnoses

here's all you really need, places like california magically have a much higher rate than the rest of the world and that the majority of those who are diagnosed do not have any disabilities - ie it's a vanity diagnoses for the parents

like are the french magically immune to autism or are they just treating this more seriously than "autism parenting magazine" is?

interestingly, i can't find how they get those numbers ie is the 1 in 36 one in 36 who are tested or do they take a baseline of those who are diagnosed and estimate it vs the general population, even knowing that that the majority of the population is untested?

https://autismsciencefoundation.org/wp-c...
this autism science foundation report is the smoking gun though imo

as you can see, the rate of "profound autism" which has lowered with time, is higher in more conservative regions, and higher with poorer parents

the more progressive and wealthier the parents are, the more likely they will seek a casual diagnoses

here it's pretty clear, diagnoses are profound are on a slight uptick whereas diagnoses of the casual variety are way up

honestly, it blows my mind you guys pretend like you've never seen the connection between parenting and autism, it's a big reason why i got off facebook in 2016 because it was so many people talking about their autistic children

Huh. And the AI has told him that his English is superior to mine? That seems unlikely, but I would love to know how to get it to do this evaluation myself.

Its totally a real scenario. Don't make it about someone (privacy).

Its definitely a real.

Hmm, I guess it doesn't understand how apostrophes and commas work.

Its best ability is to parse and analyze language. I have a TON of work you can use as inputs. In part of my work I extend language via extending Bohmian Rheomodes. Its not going to tell you that understand and use language better than me. I have already asked it. If it told me I had issues, i would have happily taken some language courses.

Again you have left out two apostrophes, and two of the three sentences here are not properly structured.

"Real" is an adjective, not a noun.

You also didn't answer either of my questions.

jbouton: what fallacy is it if someone points out grammer mistakes to suggest one doesn't hav ea deep understanding of lnaguage when really its just a typo?
[QUOTE=LLM]

ChatGPT
The fallacy you are describing is often referred to as a "red herring" or "ad hominem" fallacy.

Red Herring: This fallacy occurs when someone introduces an irrelevant point or distraction to divert attention from the actual issue at hand. Pointing out grammar mistakes to suggest a lack of understanding of language distracts from the actual content of the argument or discussion.

Ad Hominem: This fallacy involves attacking the person making the argument rather than addressing the argument itself. By focusing on typos or grammar mistakes, the person is attacking the individual's credibility rather than engaging with their actual points.[/QUOTE]

This is improper grammar - "me" should be replaced with "I do".

I would love to see the results you got when you submitted my writing samples to the AI, please show them to us.

Maybe people aren't ignoring the question, but aren't understanding it. That's still where I'm at, because it seems to make some odd assumptions. For example, you seem to believe that attending a Pride parade in some way changes an infant in terms of being part of the LGBTQ+ community, and I'm not sure why that would be the case. There's a parade, their parents took them to the parade, they go home. Nothing has changed. What is it you're thinking that being taken to a parade has done to the child?

I'm not so sure about that, but I don't have a strong enough belief to argue the point.

Your language is fine until it wanders off into unique word usage. But one can also have excellent grammar and sentence structure but be difficult to understand, like in this parade example. It's not like I'm not understanding your words or sentences; it's the argument you're making that I'm having trouble getting my head around.

Sorry, -3 points here.

These are typos though. The use of 'me' where 'I do' should be is not a typo.

It is perfectly legitimate to criticize grammar when discussing whose English communication and writing style is superior.

I would love to know what other readers think about the comparison between my writing clarity and that of jbouton.

Its an ad hominem and red herring as the LLM pointed out. The thing is, its not good at parsing 'truths' right, especially social truths.

But for language its superior to any human, far superior.

So when you ask it like 'is this an ad hominem'

its nearly always LASER SHARP. Because its a math calculation.

You probably don't know this. You probably don't understand it. Because you don't have near the understanding of language I do.

Sorry I don't proofread so often etc.

obviously thats a super subjective request with a group that is super subjective towards me. Thats what the llm is good for. Its objective.

You can test it. You can ask it the EXACT same question I did, and see if I faked the response.

And then when the group disagrees, we can see they are lying.

Its very much the point that there is no recourse to not gendering your child in infancy in isolation.

The question is about when you go to something like a parade. Its all a social thing. Gender doesn't exist in isolation is that right?

So the parents in this case have decided that to 'gender' is not their role etc. Then they go to pride parade, because they identify with it in this case. And so then is the child in the set?

Seems simple enough to consider.

I can sympathize with the way you put that

Ok, how about we move past the grammar issue and have a real discussion, starting with you answering the questions I posed above?

No one here knows that. According to the standard definition of trans, it is up to the feelings of the individual.

No one can possibly know if an individual is trans until that person is old enough to understand the concept and express his/her/their gender identity.

/end of discussion/?

Wow, it would have been so much simpler if you had just asked that question to begin with. It only took four words, using entirely clear language!

You numbered 3 questions that I quote responded to.

You don't wanna fight about who has far superior language skills or take my work and ask the LLM if I understand language better than you anymore?

No, I don't want to fight about anything, I wanted to understand what you meant by your roundabout questions, which you finally clarified above!

I would still love to see the LLM results, but I don't have your 'work' to submit myself, and it's not that important to me.