The costs of trans visibility

That bumper sticker seems like standard motivational gibberish. It doesn't mean someone wanted their child to be autistic.

The cartoon is hilarious but completely unrelated to this discussion. No one suggests being autistic gives one victim status or any better treatment.

This whole thing mostly a symptom of hypochondria and overprotective parenting, which certainly deserves some criticism but I don't think it is particularly significant when related to autism.

Though now I can't remember how autism even got into the trans thread.. I hadn't noticed it was here.

The data you shared doesn't seem to show insight to the thinking of those parents. Could you link to anything supporting your position?

what exactly is your point? You started with the ridiculous claim of parents “secretly hoping” their kids are autistic. I guess you are now saying your were just joking when you said this ridiculous point. Ok. But then you provided a lot of screenshots that didn’t one iota support your ridiculous point, so what point exactly was it trying to support?

Your “just joking lolol” retreats when you say ridiculous things and everyone laughs at you is getting a bit thin.

morally healthy, decent people who have children, have then for various reasons, but possibly the most important one for most of them is... to have grandchildren.

before the anti human left was common, that was the morality of decent participants in society.

an autistic child can have biological grandchildren.

a trans child treated by leftist who sterilize him or her with hormones can't

so any rational, morally healthy person would prefer his child autistic than trans.

it's not ridiculous just because you label it so

of the two of us, one has shown scientific data to back up their statements - you don't have to agree with me, but it's cowardly of you to avoid genuine and fact based discussion and just resort to ad hominem attacks both attacking me and the existence of the argument itself when you could have had a rational discussion on the the issue at hand

undoubtedly - testing is way up, as are diagnoses, and as i showed you, the majority of the children tested do not have any disability whatsoever and that skewers step in step with socio economics, it was tested just for the sake of testing, not for anything else - but surely my claims are absurd just because you say so? and thing like those bumper stickers and magazines mean nothing as well

and yes, busted, south park is the pinnacle of seriousness and couldn't possibly be used to illustrate a point in a playful manner

Oh yikes, you were NOT joking with the hilariously bad idea that parents are “secretly hoping” their kids were autistic? And you genuinely believe your data (like that an autistic parenting magazine shows up in search results about autistic parenting) backed that up?

Amazing. Never change Ricky.

ofc an autistic person isn't the perfect parent. but we are talking someone who could be either autistic or trans, what would you prefer as a parent? is it even close?

adoption isn't your bloodline if you don't give a fundamental moral value to your own blood you have lost any actual moral a long time ago, and we are speaking a different language.

blood matters , a lot, for moral people

if you never heard that the main reason to have children is to have grandchildren, then you basically only talked with people who already lost the basic sense of human morals which isn't surprising given you live on the west coast

I have said twice that your data doesn't back up your theory any more than it backs up my theory that is basically the opposite. Are you going to address that?

Being autistic is not seen as desirable by many parents. Why do you think there is the (ridiculous) worry that vaccines can cause autism?

I don't think you understand what morality is. Helping a child because they share your genes is an instinct shared by humans and all animals, it is completely amoral.

Helping a child who does not share your genes is selfless and morally commendable.

I don't have much time to post, but usually there's a discussion of freezing eggs and sperm prior to cross-sex hormones.

I have read a lot about reasons why people have children, as a member of a group which believes bringing a child into the world is immoral.

I just found this parenting group list of top 10 reasons to have children. Grandchildren are not mentioned.
Continuing the bloodline and family name is given, but that wasn't what you seemed to mean. I thought you meant the pleasure of having grandchildren, but correct me if I was wrong.

https://www.coparents.com/blog/baby/why-...

at like 15-16? and if biologically females are we going full anti human with third world wombs for rent and stuff like that?

do you really believe that it's irrelevant if the child is biological, sired naturally and brought to term as every generation of human beings did since 500k years ago, vs using a rented womb?

is there any limit to your guys plans or literally every single element of the natural biological order has no value for you?

are you ever thinking that maybe, at times, you are stretching it too much? or no, the arc of history is behind you and everything you strive for is 100% the optimal for ho mo sapiens sapiens?

The natural biological order is amoral at best. Most animals live a life revolving around fear of predators, followed by a painful death.

what works for human well being is what is moral. the intrinsecalittly of moral is about our gain, we are the measure of what is moral.

that's the basic truth of ethics which the left tries to pervert.

human supremacy is the only moral ethical position

you seem to misunderstand me

every child has issues they need to face - not a single one is without faults and issues and it's going to be an uphill struggle for most parents

they are not rubbing the belly of the pregnant mother ceremoniously hoping their child comes out autistic

but... they are definitely hoping it can explain x,y,z in their child's life - then it's more valiant and heroic of them and suddenly, a B average student who is nothing to write home about is a heroic kid with autism who triumphed over that condition to not only survive but thrive with a B average

everyone wants their kids to be special and excel and many feel like the success or failures of their children are a reflection of them as parents - autism is a bit of crutch, an immunity shield which explains away all the faults and highlights the average into excellence

this is why autism is evenly spread out, in some countries where they don't buy into this it's largely ignored whereas in other places it's the diagnosis du jour - are you are going to genuinely believe that there's something in the water of california that makes children significantly more likely to be autistic?

there's absolutely an increase in testing and as it's a spectrum matter that's highly subjective - more testing = more diagnoses

autism is not something they check for in a standardized manner unless the kid showing severe symptons, so it's something the parents elect to do and as shown in that data the preponderance of mild cases where there's no disability (ie nothing to gain from the diagnosis because there's no issues that need mending) is skyrocketing upwards compared to severe cases - fact this is also tied to socioeconomics tells you all you need to about how frivolously it is done

if there's no underlying disability, then the diagnosis is more for the parents than for the child

I would say that my three boys established their gender to us. We surrounded them with cars, balls, dolls, superhero movies, princess movies. They liked some of the dolls and princess movies, but prefer throwing balls, wheeling cars, wearing black and blue over pink and purple.

It's not hard to just present a wide range of options regarding toys, entertainment, and clothing and just let the kids choose. Do the balls, cars, and superhero mean they're definitely boys? No, but all indications have said they're boys, so we treat them as boys.

I do question my 9-year-old's eventual sexuality down the road for reasons I'll keep private, but if he's queer, I can just establish the lines of communication are open. If one of my kids are girls, I just do the same.

One doesn't necessarily raise their kids as a gender or genderless in some binary fashion. We can just not enforce gender norms and allow them to explore what they want to explore. Kids are very selective at very young ages. Our choice is to never say "this is for boys and this is for girls." They tell you pretty early and pretty fast how they wanna act, dress, and play. The confusion is exacerbated by gender norms not by establish hard rules for matching their gender with their gentials.

I definitely care the most about the suffering of humans, which is why I don't want to condemn any to the pain of life and the usually painful death.

focusing on eliminating suffering is very anti human (anti intelligent life in general).

intelligent life includes suffering, it's a biological took we developed as a signaling mechanism, there is no reason to hate it, and wanting to eliminate it is really anti everything that makes sense for normal people.

at least your ideology is self defeating. you die without reproducing and that's it. we just need to protect the children of decent (pro life) people from it

Sure, if the child has problems x, y and z then parents are likely looking for a reason. But you're assuming the worst. Hopefully many of them are looking for a way to help their children, not to find excuses for their failure.

Seriously, I was sure that I was the most anti-parent person here, but even I'm not that cynical to think that testing for autism implies something sinister about parents.

Of course there is reason to hate pain and suffering! I've experienced a decent amount and now try to avoid it as much as possible.

Do you try to increase the pain and suffering of your children, or do you to to reduce it as much as possible?
Or are you completely hands off and don't make an effort either way?

Pain and suffering has very little to do with intelligence. All animals suffer from pain, intelligent or not.
I suppose more intelligent creatures have more mental suffering, but I certainly don't consider that to be a benefit.

it comes from good intentions for sure - the people buying those bumper stickers love their children and want nothing but the best for them, but they are still buying bumper stickers to let everyone know how courageous the parents are

So what exactly is the problem then?

I don't remember how this topic got into the trans thread and don't feel like searching.

a lot of trans defined minors aren't actually trans , rather simply autistic minors (see Tavistock et al).

that's why the topic is linked to the thread.

Still nowhere close to your ridiculous “secretly hoping” original statement. Parents of autistic kids being proud of their parenting is totally great - I’m also proud of my parenting - and power to them for being so, but that doesn’t mean they secretly hoped their kids were autistic.

Obviously.