Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
You don't counter propaganda by censoring it, you counter it by allowing healthy debate clarifying why it's propaganda.
Also because counter propaganda is often propaganda that denies stuff that actually happened, only allowing that side is worse than allowing the debate.
Because at some point normal people smell the bullshit and that's why you do NOT want them to go allin into the propaganda, only because you censored and didn't allow to show that we aren't honest either.
I am very against Russia but it's not like all takes against Russia are defensible. Some are made up stuff
That was jeffery sachs lie ur banning this was cited:
[QUOTE=sachs]"...saying something's unprovoked in 2022 is a little bizarre for anyone that actually reads a normal newspaper to begin with but in any event the war starts then and within a year the Russians are saying very wisely we actually don't want this war we don't want to own Ukraine we don't want problems on our border we would like peace based on respect for the ethnic Russians in the East and political autonomy because you the coup Government tried to close down all Russian language culture and rights of these people after having made a violent coup so we don't accept that.[/QUOTE]
You don't counter propaganda by censoring it, you counter it by allowing healthy debate clarifying why it's propaganda.
Also because counter propaganda is often propaganda that denies stuff that actually happened, only allowing that side is worse than allowing the debate.
Because at some point normal people smell the bullshit and that's why you do NOT want them to go allin into the propaganda, only because you censored and didn't allow to sh
Its too late, colors are shown. I haven't even gotten to the Prigozhin stuff. Which is why the other thread disappeared.
Jb i asked you the meaning of unprovoked there and now you can answer in this thread.
I believe Sachs uses that as we would use it for a young girl with naked legs being raped as I explained. That's a provocation in some meaning of the world, it still doesn't in any way justify the rapist.
Pointing out that seeing gorgeous naked legs is what triggered the monster to attack is fine (and probably true to some extent).
You want to claim something else though. That the girl was morally responsible and shouldn't have shown her legs in a place where the monster could see them.
Its too late, colors are shown. I haven't even gotten to the Prigozhin stuff. Which is why the other thread disappeared.
Lol I was around when the other thread disappeared, forum got attacked by spammers opening a zillion spam threads and browser deleted many, among them the Ukraine one by obvious mistake
I was t able to join (because of 504 error) for hours after that I remember it clearly
I don't think the people defending bouton realise that there will never be a moderation policy that he is happy with, and the minute a single word of his gets moderated he will go on a multi-day tirade about censorship and grand 2p2 conspiracies. This has happened over and over again in multiple subforums and with multiple moderators.
Lol I was around when the other thread disappeared, forum got attacked by spammers opening a zillion spam threads and browser deleted many, among them the Ukraine one by obvious mistake
I was t able to join (because of 504 error) for hours after that I remember it clearly
oops! Oh is browser a mod or something?
then what happened?
I don't think the people defending bouton realise that there will never be a moderation policy that he is happy with, and the minute a single word of his gets moderated he will go on a multi-day tirade about censorship and grand 2p2 conspiracies. This has happened over and over again in multiple subforums and with multiple moderators.
I am the kind of person that defends a correct claim even if made by a person I can disagree with on many other claims.
I don't care what he will do in different mod decisions, if he will oppose correct ones I will tell him
I am the kind of person that defends a correct claim even if made by a person I can disagree with on many other claims.
I don't care what he will do in different mod decisions, if he will oppose correct ones I will tell him
That's fine but there comes a point where he is the boy who cried wolf, and the level of proof he needs to demonstrate that a particular mod decision is unfair or biased is much, much higher than for other posters. Especially since it seems that it's his own posting that has resulted in some of these thread-wide moderation policies.
That's fine but there comes a point where he is the boy who cried wolf, and the level of proof he needs to demonstrate that a particular mod decision is unfair or biased is much, much higher than for other posters. Especially since it seems that it's his posting that has caused some of these thread-wide moderation policies.
I didn't object to his suspensions though did I? If he creates trouble it's ok to put him in the corner
Right. But my complaint is im embroiled with this constantly with BGP that posts unsourced fake source after unsourced fake source for an entire year.
I'm posting stuff they are invalidating with ad hominems. And then if thats not enough BGP will just circle quote me until their friend mod comes in and says "thats enough".
And then the truth gets deleted and I get banned.
So forgive me for using your post as an example of whats going on
I've never noticed this, please cite.
Lol I was around when the other thread disappeared, forum got attacked by spammers opening a zillion spam threads and browser deleted many, among them the Ukraine one by obvious mistake
Ah, I remember this now. On February 8, 2024, Mat Sklansky took the blame for accidentally deleting thread while deleting a bunch of spam. Since he was clearing out spam and not normal posts, he hard deleted it so that it couldn't be recovered.
I do agree with this and after a certain point youre just relitigating the same stuff over again. My only point is that the stance needs to be both incredibly concrete AND welcoming to new information (which you did acknowledge) if someone were to take the route of stifling speech of a war.
It would be nice if we could back that up right.
It doesn't matter though, because sources are coming out NOW. And it shows that past thread was a narrated lie. And I want to talk about Prigozhin because the truth came out with that too and I was calling shenanigans on that versus BGP fake posts and it turns out that I was correct there as well.
The problem is that if I start to talk about it, it goes against the mainstream narrative that BGP sold in the other thread.
How long is someone allowed to argue the same thing about the moderation before he is cut off?
Lol I was around when the other thread disappeared, forum got attacked by spammers opening a zillion spam threads and browser deleted many, among them the Ukraine one by obvious mistake
I was t able to join (because of 504 error) for hours after that I remember it clearly
It apparently was deleted by mistake, but not by browser.
What's this panda stuff all about?
PW, help please, need some clarification on this panda malarkey.
None of these posts belong in this thread, their purpose is to make it look like I'm cluttering the mod thread but its not me....I have business in this thread. This poster doesn't...
Bouton, can you tell us about the issue of obvious compromised security please? It has me very concerned.
I think he's upset and being "soft modded". I guess he's been a bad boy and needs a proper hard modding.
Every time we get a new mod here they feel sorry for him and try to accommodate his rambling complaints for a while, until they ultimately decide it's a Sisyphean task and become part of the grand 2p2 conspiracy against him.
All those 419 scams they've been running left the Russians broke, ldo. Wait, that was the Niagarans.
The man is one of the most trusted and respected sources in the industry, if he says so himself. Oddly, we didn't get a cite or a source on those claims (not even from any convicted pedos), only the ominous cloud of obvious security leaks if he is not allowed to post in the bitcoin thread hanging over us for eternity.
Wait, am I doing the antagoising? I was told I should make more of an effort to understand him, so I'm just trying to figure out wtf he is talking about with the security stuff. If he was capable of answering a simple question with a simple response, there would be no need for me to repeat it 100 times, thereby appearing antagonistic.
Every time we get a new mod here they feel sorry for him and try to accommodate his rambling complaints for a while, until they ultimately decide it's a Sisyphean task and become part of the grand 2p2 conspiracy against him.
All those 419 scams they've been running left the Russians broke, ldo. Wait, that was the Niagarans.
The man is one of the most trusted and respected sources in the industry, if he says so himself. Oddly, we didn't get a cite or a source on those claims (not even from any convicted pedos), only the ominous cloud of obvious security leaks if he is not allowed to post in the bitcoin thread hanging over us for eternity.
Wait, am I doing the antagoising? I was told I should make more of an effort to understand him, so I'm just trying to figure out wtf he is talking about with the security stuff. If he was capable of answering a simple question with a simple response, there would be no need for me to repeat it 100 times, thereby appearing antagonistic.
Sigh. Fine. Can't even get a laugh at another poster's expense around here any more. I guess I'll go back to trolling Luciom and the Trumpets.
I don't know about that. I had a friend once but he started getting fresh with me so I had little choice but to bludgeon him to death with a large mallet in what the prosecutor characterised as a "frenzied, unprovoked attack". Guess we all have different views on provocation. But I'm rambling now, you crack on.
You run my posts through Google to check if I am plagiarising content? That seems like a perfectly normal thing to be doing.
Spoiler
I guess I should be flattered that you think my prose is so good it might have been plagiarised?
^^Lol what? Did he do that for some sort of ironic effect, or was he trying to get away with it?
I don't know what's more shocking - that PW is a plagiarist, or that it has not occurred to anyone before me to bludgeon someone to death with a large mallet.
You think that the only options are that either I quoted a book or I bludgeoned my friend to death with a large mallet? I mean, there are all sorts of other options. It could have been a small mallet.
The classification is part of the experiment. You start talking and I hit you on the head with increasingly heavier mallets until you start making sense. The first one to achieve this objective is "heavy".
We should throw him a little homecoming party to celebrate his return. Does anyone know where I could buy a bunch of pillow cases and bars of soap?
Not sure I follow, am I missing some sort of reference?
Edit: oh it means a reduction in sentence. Seems like that's a British term, which I ironically did not know lol.
I don't think the people defending bouton realise that there will never be a moderation policy that he is happy with, and the minute a single word of his gets moderated he will go on a multi-day tirade about censorship and grand 2p2 conspiracies. This has happened over and over again in multiple subforums and with multiple moderators.
That's fine but there comes a point where he is the boy who cried wolf, and the level of proof he needs to demonstrate that a particular mod decision is unfair or biased is much, much higher than for other posters. Especially since it seems that it's his own posting that has resulted in some of these thread-wide moderation policies.
