Fringe conspiracy containment thread
2) I'm sure there were blockades to keep people from entering parts of front street so more people didn't die. I don't know specifically what happened beyond what Fish's (I've talked to Fish plenty, so next time I see him I'll ask him directly, it's a pretty chopped video) report in your video, but they obviously weren't intentionally blocking people in. 3) As far as barbed wire now, I'm sure there are still things to steal, but it's also
It's a proven fact that the cars were blocked from escaping, which is how a lot of people died. This doesn't only come from your friend Fish who was interviewed it comes from just about every survivor. There are countless interviews with people shocked as to why they were blocking the escape routes with no explanation why. And it's not just barbed wire, on HRE's video from yesterday, there are miles and miles of fence covered with a black tarp so no one can see in. They also used heavy yellow iron equipment to move large boulders on a lookout point on a mountain that overlooks the city so no one can park there anymore to look down on the valley. Since you know this guy Fish, why don't you ask him what they're hiding there and why our government (this operation is lead by FEMA, the national guard there who are blocking the road are answering to them only) is doing this
Our president who went there to visit compared this to a small kitchen fire in his house and joked that he almost lost his corvette. That was a stab in the back to everyone involved. It was a disgrace (as usual).
Since we're in the study game... I have two for you.
40% of deaths could have been prevented from Covid-19, if the Trump administration took the virus more seriously, didn't spread misinformation, and took better policy positions:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021...
Over 230k preventable covid-19 deaths in the US if people even had 1 covid-19 vaccine shot:
So all it takes for you to believe something is a website? See how easy it is to control people?
It's not hard to see what's going on, but just in case, cliffs: Biden is a front for the global nazies who are all hidden (in plain sight) behind klaus schwab and the WEF along with their cohorts over at the CDC, FBI, CIA, DOJ, FEMA and the UN who are doing this in plain sight, but everyone is too programmed to hate trump as much as possible (who's also a front fwiw, he's basically a nothing in this war it's not all about him either but he's definitely on humanities side) or too closed minded to ever think they're being lied to.
The fires that caused all the smoke in NYC all started at the exact same time over hundreds of miles of forrest in Canada. How on earth does that happen naturally? But everyone wants to turn a blind eye because they believe "of course no one would do that on purpose" which was probably so they can start their plans for climate lockdowns. I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm just stating the facts that need to be answered of which everyone wants to turn a blind eye to.
They're also currently preparing for a new pandemic with a new variant. Also, FEMA just emailed the people involved in the Maui disaster to not post any pictures of the disaster on social media. What are they hiding?
Your president doesn't care at all about anybody he's supposed to be serving, because he's not serving us he's serving his masters who control him along with many other leaders of other countries. If they continue to get their way, you will all be living in a climate crisis where you won't be allowed to travel more than 15 minutes from your home and forced to eat bugs and artificially grown foods. Bon appetito.
Could we move this BS to the conspiracy thread please?
Also the fbi closed the case and torched the file so nobody could FOIA what really happened after 30 years
Sure, in 2017 the FBI torching a paper file gets rid of all the information. No papers, no foia requests. Loooool That was the year they stopped using computers and didn't collect any videos, pictures or electronic evidence, right?
I don't know if you think we are all completely gullible or if you are.
Sure, in 2017 the FBI torching a paper file gets rid of all the information. No papers, no foia requests. Loooool That was the year they stopped using computers and didn't collect any videos, pictures or electronic evidence, right?
I don't know if you think we are all completely gullible or if you are.
ok im wrong about that
good things our crack teams are on the case
PW sure does go pretty far to assuage the cognitive dissonance he experiences when opposing gun control, huh? Saudis in choppers did it.
For rational people, there's a lot of room between there being conspiracies everywhere, and "my government would NEVER lie to me". In fact, I don't know that I've ever encountered anyone who believes "my government would NEVER lie to me".
There's a weird kind of naivety here, maybe.
Like you can’t get your head around the fact that say, a bunch of people who make money from wars will want lots of wars, even if they are unjust and bad for the rest of the country.
If our leaders aren't the kind, patriotic people they pretend to be, they must be clones created by lizard men.
Because the government isn't likely to go many stories up in a hotel on the Vegas strip and rain bullets on people at a music festival.
Do you remember that? Please remember it, forever, because all those deaths are on you and people like you. I don't even blame it on the crazy guy who shot the guns - crazy people gonna crazy that's what they do. People like you are responsible for that, and for every mass shooting that has been happening in
the denial of personal responsibility as the core element of the rule of law, and society in general, encapsulated in this post, is terrifying.
especially given that even the Las Vegas massacre would have been doable with a bumper stock ban in place.
because bumper stocks are 3d-printable.
with 300m+ guns already in circulation it's absurd to claim mass shootings happen because of a lack of present strict enough gun control laws.
and most gun crimes already happen in the areas of the USA with the strictest gun control laws
Of course if the Las Vegas shooter had lived, I think he should have been held responsible in that he should have either been executed or locked up for the rest of his life.
But I don't think that would prevent any other crazy people from doing the same thing, and we are always going to have crazy people around. We need to do everything we can to make sure those crazy people can't harm hundreds of people before they are caught.
And sure, bump stocks can be made by individuals. I think even some guns can be, or if not they will be very soon. But I don't think that means we should give up on trying to reduce potential harm as much as possible. I don't blame it just on "present" lack of serious gun control, I blame it on everything that has allowed all those guns to be manufactured and sold, especially including the gun lobby who has prevented stronger laws for the last hundred years or so, and the court system who I think has consistently misinterpreted the 5th Amendment.
To your last point - sure if you mean any crime in which someone carries a gun, but the cause and effect go the other way. There are more gun crimes (and all crimes) in areas of high population density, so those areas are more likely to pass stricter gun control laws. But I think most mass shootings have been happening in areas with less gun control. The first ever mass shooting incident was in Texas, and recently it seems like there have been more in Texas than anywhere else.
the denial of personal responsibility as the core element of the rule of law, and society in general, encapsulated in this post, is terrifying.
especially given that even the Las Vegas massacre would have been doable with a bumper stock ban in place.
because bumper stocks are 3d-printable.
with 300m+ guns already in circulation it's absurd to claim mass shootings happen because of a lack of present strict enough gun control laws.
and most gun
It’s true that the horse bolted a long time ago wrt gun control because of the sheer number in private ownership. The US is ****ed in this regard and will just have to accept that a certain proportion of its mentally ill population, which is probably large, are going to go on killing sprees every so often.
It’s true that the horse bolted a long time ago wrt gun control because of the sheer number in private ownership. The US is ****ed in this regard and will just have to accept that a certain proportion of its mentally ill population, which is probably large, are going to go on killing sprees every so often.
If you believe mass shooters are mostly mentally ill people then the solution clearly is institutionalizing mentally ill people, because if there are many people ready to mass shoot they would be a big problem anyway albeit smaller, they can drive car unto people and so on
If you believe mass shooters are mostly mentally ill people then the solution clearly is institutionalizing mentally ill people, because if there are many people ready to mass shoot they would be a big problem anyway albeit smaller, they can drive car unto people and so on
I don’t see how shooting a bunch of unknown people outside of war could be anything other than severe mental illness, do you?
Mass incarceration isn’t the solution. Sometimes, especially when a problem is allowed to multiply, there is no solution.
If you believe mass shooters are mostly mentally ill people then the solution clearly is institutionalizing mentally ill people, because if there are many people ready to mass shoot they would be a big problem anyway albeit smaller, they can drive car unto people and so on
Sure, but you often can't know that ahead of time. AFAIK the Vegas shooter had no history of mental illness.
And the gun lobby, along with most Republicans, have tried to prevent measures that try to keep guns away from people with even serious mental health issues.
Sure, but you often can't know that ahead of time. AFAIK the Vegas shooter had no history of mental illness.
And the gun lobby, along with most Republicans, have tried to prevent measures that try to keep guns away from people with even serious mental health issues.
(I don't believe most mass shooters are mentally ill in the sense of mental illness that makes you otherwise incompatible with society).
Taking guns away from mentally ill people is absurd.
If you are such a threat you have to be institutionalized. There is no justification for in between punishment of mentally ill people, you either have a legal right to constrain their freedom to protect others, then remove them from civil society, or you don't, then no additional freedom limitation toward them can be legal
I guess that your answer is no.
By the way, I love the logic of "if I can't remove every conceivable item from my home that my suicidal brother might use to kill himself, including the second story of my home, then why should I bother to remove firearms (i.e., the tools that are most often used among people who successfully commit suicide)?"
If I had firearms at home (which I can't because Italy) they would not be accessible to anyone except me obviously??
And anyway, what a private person is allowed to do is not the same of what the government is allowed to do.
I don't give **** food to eat to my kids because it's bad for them, doesn't mean the gvmnt should be allowed to ban that food
If I had firearms at home (which I can't because Italy) they would not be accessible to anyone except me obviously??
And anyway, what a private person is allowed to do is not the same of what the government is allowed to do.
I don't give **** food to eat to my kids because it's bad for them, doesn't mean the gvmnt should be allowed to ban that food
My hypothetical obviously was about private action, not government action. I wasn't intending to suggest that they are the same thing.
Rococo the idea is that you either have a constitutional setup that allows you to limit constitutional freedoms of innocents who are dangerous to others, or you don't.
If you do, so if it's legal to ban people with a condition to own firearms (a constitutional right suspension) because they are a big threat to others, then it would be legal (and reasonable) to institutionalize them.
I mean someone who you fear so much, he could be a mass shooter, is certainly a big threat to others even without legal access to guns. For one, he could illegally access guns!
If I had firearms at home (which I can't because Italy) they would not be accessible to anyone except me obviously??
And anyway, what a private person is allowed to do is not the same of what the government is allowed to do.
I don't give **** food to eat to my kids because it's bad for them, doesn't mean the gvmnt should be allowed to ban that food
Maybe you would keep them inaccessible, but many people do not. There are plenty of examples of children finding and using parents' guns to kill themselves or others, deliberately or accidentally. Just recently charges have been started to be made against those parents, but previously none of them were held accountable.
It amazes me how people think that just by passing gun control laws it will immediately and permanently stop all these mass killings and other killings caused by guns and assault weapons that fall into the wrong hands. People should use common sense, realize, and understand that the criminals don't follow laws, and they can still purchase all the guns and ammo they want on the black market (of which gun control laws will further expand).
It would be pretty dumb and stupid to pass laws that take the guns away from the good guys and put more guns in the hands of the bad guys and you can't pass laws and then poof no more killings anymore, that's just a pipe dream.
It amazes me how people think that just by passing gun control laws it will immediately and permanently stop all these mass killings and other killings caused by guns and assault weapons that fall into the wrong hands. People should use common sense, realize, and understand that the criminals don't follow laws, and they can still purchase all the guns and ammo they want on the black market (of which gun control laws will further expand).
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this is correct
does the deep state run the black market? where is the black market? is there a store, or just check 4chan for a listing?
