Israel/Palestine thread
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indeed. And also true ont he other side where they end up supporting terrorist organsiations. A descent into a destructive cycle of 'had enough'
A feedback cycle more than a 2 way street. The cycle has to be broken. Politics.
Asking the little country of 15 million people being attacked relentlessly from all directions by all its numerally much larger neighbors to be the one to unilaterally engage in politics while the other side promises nothing but violence and destruction is asking way too much.
No one cares if Americans and Canadians make derogatory remarks about each other because there isn't a background of decades of warfare and an ongoing slaughter with one side always having the upper hand and murdering ten times as many people as the other.
What a completely useless analogy.
If there has been decades of slaughter with one side always having the upper hand shouldn't the weaker side stop with it's Jihads and Intifadas?
Asking the little country of 15 million people being attacked relentlessly from all directions by all its numerally much larger neighbors to be the one to unilaterally engage in politics while the other side promises nothing but violence and destruction is asking way too much.
Expecing the destruction of so many peoples lives and homes not to result in more radicalisation is asking way too too much
In any case politics is not unilateral.
Aside from the moral problems of such an approach, it's completely unrealistic here. This should be evident by the large amounts of people complaining that Gaza continues to get support, which is largely beyond the control of Israel. Gaza will never reach a point where they have no hope of getting rid of Israel.
If attempting to stop all violence against Israel through attacks against Gaza which result in an unacceptable amount of civilian deaths is too much for "the little country of 15 million people" against "its numerally much larger neighbors" then Israel needs to find another approach. Perhaps all out war isn't the best option and escalation management (yes even managing an event as awful as October 7) is the better approach.
Everyone seems to be saying that Israel will eventually lose a war with the Middle East for obvious reasons, yet they use that as a reason to continue escalating war.
or maybe people would say "see, these Hindus should be in India not in Pakistan".
there is an Hindu state it is called India.
and there are many Arab states where Palestinians can go to live their Arab lives in Arab societies that share their Arab values. they move and the problem is solved.
No. India is a secular state.
And if Hindus in Pakistan were born there why the hell should they have to leave?
lol no we shouldn't at all but I'm aware this is your favourite topic.
Xenophobia was probably useful to ancient tribes when there were large risks associated with letting other tribes in. Nowadays we have language and travel that tells us there's nothing to fear any more, those of us capable of overriding our prehistoric urges to hate people who are different to us anyway.
I think it would have been better not to let in the people who hijacked the planes on 9/11 - that was pretty risky.
I think they have to abide by the same laws that everyone else in their new host country does.
Do you think the daughters of immigrants from countries where FGM is common should routinely have their vulvas checked by government agents?
If they're not, how would anyone know that they were abiding by the laws?
Or is FGM even actually against any US laws? I'm not sure if it is; someone should definitely get on that.
Why should people stop fighting when they believe their cause is just and they have no other options?
They have another option.
Admit defeat, recognize Israel as a state and their daddy, define borders and move on with life.
It sucks for them but Israel conquered the land and everytime they try to fight back things just get worse for them.
I think it would have been better not to let in the people who hijacked the planes on 9/11 - that was pretty risky.
Presumably the US didn’t know they were risky so what should they have done? Stopped immigration for everyone from which countries, for how long and which age groups and genders etc?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Do you think the daughters of immigrants from countries where FGM is common should routinely have their vulvas checked by government agents?
If they're not, how would anyone know that they were abiding by the laws?
Or is FGM even actually against any US laws? I'm not sure if it is; someone should definitely get on that.
They’d know the same way that people know when illegal cock fights or bare knuckle fighting takes place. Word gets out that these practices are taking place.
They have another option.
Admit defeat, recognize Israel as a state and their daddy, define borders and move on with life.
It sucks for them but Israel conquered the land and everytime they try to fight back things just get worse for them.
It’s not much of an option. Some people would prefer to die martyrs than have their children and grandchildren have to live like that under hostile occupation.
It’s ironic that the people in America who say theyd be prepared to use guns and violence to protect their rights against a malignant government don’t seem to understand the Palestinians’ predicament.
Presumably the US didn’t know they were risky so what should they have done? Stopped immigration for everyone from which countries, for how long and which age groups and genders etc?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
True, so I don't blame them for that. But in the future they could have stopped immigration from the countries those guys were from, instead of just treating everyone who boards a plane like a criminal for the next 25 years.
Wanting someone else’s land for yourself to build exclusive beachside property on is not a just cause.
Yeah, I don't think that's the reason for their invasion (and neither do you). But even if it were, the Israelis apparently believe their cause is just, which is what you said was true about the Palestinians. Usually both sides in any conflict believe that.
