President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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i'm only guessing, but the false premise is that republicans and "nationalists" believe that immigration even illegal immigration is a negative on american society when that is simply not the case.

if they want to discuss it as a cultural "replacement" issue they can feel free to come out and say that. but it's not an economic one nor as trump likes to trumpet a crime issue.


by Slighted P

what is the immigration policy? the republicans blocked the most conservative immigration bill in modern history. so clearly they apparently don't have an issue with immigration.

They clearly did it for political purposes the same reason why Joe Biden did nothing on the border for 3-1/2 years as it was killing him in the polls.

Look at all the G7 countries they are all tired of their left governments that care more about illegal immigrants and Ukraine than they do about their own citizens

Lets also acknowledge the democrats are the party of antisemitism


by lozen P

They clearly did it for political purposes the same reason why Joe Biden did nothing on the border for 3-1/2 years as it was killing him in the polls.

Look at all the G7 countries they are all tired of their left governments that care more about illegal immigrants and Ukraine than they do about their own citizens

Lets also acknowledge the democrats are the party of antisemitism

I think you are missing the point and how Republican operates under trump for the past years !
Do u really believe republicans would still not oppose any bill Biden would of present them 3 years ago anyway ? Really ?
They just did now !
Republicans systematically votes against anything democrats presents .
Hell republicans can’t barely work together ( House of Representatives leadership?) .

Like slighted said , if they really cared , like they loved to claim , they would vote for it immediately.
Hell how can u be for lawful citizenship, blaming killers and drug dealers to enter the country freely and then voted no for the bill by pure partisanship?
What a great leadership by Republican lol….

I have never seen people voting against their own interest so much as maga …


by lozen P

They clearly did it for political purposes the same reason why Joe Biden did nothing on the border for 3-1/2 years as it was killing him in the polls.

Look at all the G7 countries they are all tired of their left governments that care more about illegal immigrants and Ukraine than they do about their own citizens

Lets also acknowledge the democrats are the party of antisemitism

so is that a yes you agree they have no policy and are just playing games?


and no we certainly don't acknowledge that. lol. that's insane.


by lozen P

They clearly did it for political purposes the same reason why Joe Biden did nothing on the border for 3-1/2 years as it was killing him in the polls.

Look at all the G7 countries they are all tired of their left governments that care more about illegal immigrants and Ukraine than they do about their own citizens

Lets also acknowledge the democrats are the party of antisemitism

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada...

Their border policies aren't even that different lol


by lozen P


Lets also acknowledge the democrats are the party of antisemitism

In the real world, Democrats are averaging 70% of the Jewish vote over the last 20 years. Conservatives are the party of straight up lies, dishonesty and ignorance though.


by Slighted P

i'm only guessing, but the false premise is that republicans and "nationalists" believe that immigration even illegal immigration is a negative on american society when that is simply not the case.

if they want to discuss it as a cultural "replacement" issue they can feel free to come out and say that. but it's not an economic one nor as trump likes to trumpet a crime issue.

Yeah this is pretty much it.

All evidence points to immigration having a massive benefit to the economy and first generation immigrants being >50% less likely to get incarcerated than someone born in the US.

"Yeah but Trump told me they were bad hombres"

All it takes is a tiny amount of research and not relying on the word of a pathological liar but thats way too much to ask so what is the point of even having these conversations?


by chillrob P

Diddles little girls? I would like to see a video of that.

Well, I don't mean I would enjoy watching it, but I mean it would be important.

Sniffing is not diddling.

Diddle diddle, put your kiddie in the middle. Actually don't because Biden will diddle them like he does these young girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XqF4wA-... (turn sound down).


Somebody lock Nadal up, he can't keep getting away with creepy diddling in front of crowds and cameras!


by coordi P

Yeah this is pretty much it.

All evidence points to immigration having a massive benefit to the economy and first generation immigrants being >50% less likely to get incarcerated than someone born in the US.

"Yeah but Trump told me they were bad hombres"

All it takes is a tiny amount of research and not relying on the word of a pathological liar but thats way too much to ask so what is the point of even having these conversations?

again using stats for legals to justify illegals lol, pls stop.

also compare crime rates apple with apples.

can't really use the sky high crime rate of native blacks to justify the still-too-high crime rate of immigrants.


by Slighted P

what is the immigration policy? the republicans blocked the most conservative immigration bill in modern history. so clearly they apparently don't have an issue with immigration.

deport all illegals is the proposal.

arrest any officer or higher up that refuses to apply the law in that regard.

send federal troops to sanctuary cities to apply the law.

remove ius soli from the constitution (and/or have SCOTUS interpret it differently).

then reform legal immigration allowing for economic needs. make residency predicated on being net tax payer (legal immigrants lose their jobs, kick them out).

they blocked a very small proposal that only would have moved the needle a bit, increased Biden re election chances, with the high probability of opening the gates again after the election.


by Luciom P

again using stats for legals to justify illegals lol, pls stop.

also compare crime rates apple with apples.

can't really use the sky high crime rate of native blacks to justify the still-too-high crime rate of immigrants.

Wait do you have statistics that contradict my claims? From the US? Please post! (You don't have contradicting statistics)

This isn't Italy, we aren't paying hundreds of millions of dollars for Libya to intercept African migrants


by metsandfinsfan P

I don't find what Trump said when he thought he wasn't being recorded as relevant

Did the fact that Bill Clinton raped and harrassed women make him a bad president? Were you upset that he got more popular after the Monica lewinsky impeachment? Did you vote for him or refuse on moral ground and voted for Bob dole!!

He was already in his second term when that stuff came out, and it may have still influenced the next election enough to make his VP lose. Well, that and the other candidate's brother rigging the count.


by lozen P

Never ever compared the two Biden's just a creepy old man with kids.

Huh? I was comparing Trump with Biden.


by Luciom P

I think immigration policy is something they want to discuss and do discuss a lot.

You know that but somehow you want to claim they don't want to discuss policies.

Why?

They want to discuss it, but not to even start fixing it, or not enough to try when Trump told them not to.


by lozen P

They clearly did it for political purposes the same reason why Joe Biden did nothing on the border for 3-1/2 years as it was killing him in the polls.

Look at all the G7 countries they are all tired of their left governments that care more about illegal immigrants and Ukraine than they do about their own citizens

Lets also acknowledge the democrats are the party of antisemitism

Because there are a few Muslim representatives? The vast majority of democrats support israel including the president.


by Luciom P

deport all illegals is the proposal.

arrest any officer or higher up that refuses to apply the law in that regard.

send federal troops to sanctuary cities to apply the law.

remove ius soli from the constitution (and/or have SCOTUS interpret it differently).

then reform legal immigration allowing for economic needs. make residency predicated on being net tax payer (legal immigrants lose their jobs, kick them out).

they blocked a very small propo

jus soli is one of if not the greatest part about this nation. lol. it prevents the awfulness of some child being born "stateless" and without any rights. it would tear the fabric of the history of this nation apart to remove it. i dont even think a non crazy republican would risk suggesting it outloud.


by coordi P

Wait do you have statistics that contradict my claims? From the US? Please post! (You don't have contradicting statistics)

This isn't Italy, we aren't paying hundreds of millions of dollars for Libya to intercept African migrants

check your stats on illegal immigrants crime rate vs white and asian crime rates.

it's blacks absurdly high crime rate that allows you to claim illegal immigrants are better than natives.

being better than a group that commits a number of crime per 100k of the population that has no peers in western world history isn't enough to justify entrance is it? or i mean maybe it is for you.

but for someone who considers native crime rates already absurdly high, that threshold isn't enough clearly.

let me repeat this: crime rates in the USA are absurdly high. natives in the USA commit violent crimes specifically exceptionally more than in other first world countries.

This isn't something that can justify importing people that commit a tad less crime than natives claiming it's a win and an improvement.

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As for the economic benefit of illegal immigrants (again: illegals only, not averaging them out with STEM PhDs working in tech companies), data isn't obvious at all and you need to produce it then we discuss (the claim is yours) who reaps that benefit (if it exists) and who pays the costs.

again I am not discussing legal immigrants at all, all data that includes them doesn't matter for the claims discussed.


by Slighted P

jus soli is one of if not the greatest part about this nation. lol. it prevents the awfulness of some child being born "stateless" and without any rights. it would tear the fabric of the history of this nation apart to remove it. i dont even think a non crazy republican would risk suggesting it outloud.

ok so at least we moved from "no policy!!!!" to yes ok it's a policy proposal but I vehemently disagree.

and ofc people who disagree with you are crazy.

and the reason they are crazy is that they want to change an element that is part of the fabric of history of the nation (true, it is).

which is why anyone who wants to remove the 2a Is Crazy right? ah wait not THAT part of the history of the nation can be tossed away for good because reasons


by chillrob P

Because there are a few Muslim representatives? The vast majority of democrats support israel including the president.

even after 10 7 democrats sympathize more with Palestinians than with Israeli

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/14...



by Luciom P

ok so at least we moved from "no policy!!!!" to yes ok it's a policy proposal but I vehemently disagree.

and ofc people who disagree with you are crazy.

and the reason they are crazy is that they want to change an element that is part of the fabric of history of the nation (true, it is).

which is why anyone who wants to remove the 2a Is Crazy right? ah wait not THAT part of the history of the nation can be tossed away for good because reasons

there are no democratic politicians that want to "remove the 2a" to my knowledge. but that's also not really policy.


i think we're all talking passed each other a bit.. with regards to what random people want and what politicians are doing..

democratic politicians are hugely in support of israel. true
democratic voters are less in support of Israel, but still mainly in support of Israel. also true.


maga chuds want a bunch of random xenophobic things with regards to immigration.

republican politicians basically have zero policy ideas other than tax cuts.


by coordi P

Somebody lock Nadal up, he can't keep getting away with creepy diddling in front of crowds and cameras!

there's implied consent if you are attractive


by Slighted P

there are no democratic politicians that want to "remove the 2a" to my knowledge. but that's also not really policy.

maybe not a politician but you can't go much higher than an ex member of SCOTUS advocating for it, can you?

title of the piece seems clear enough to me.

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opini...

but ofc it's 6 years ago, immediately after Parkland, and it doesn't count for reasons


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