The costs of trans visibility

More failing philosophy 100 students!

Lets not pretend that these silly faux objections to the idea of trans people is somehow magically all about helping them reduce their suicide rate. Don’t weaponized that as a talking point for your side.

Established wtf? Stop misrepresenting a purported consensus about your radical ideas

Psychologically move beyond the boundaries of a gender identity and / or de-identify with a gender identity.

There is an entire world for you to discover within. Understanding it is mandatory if you want more than a mediocre life.

You are not a serious person.

You stole the words from my mouth!

amazing how this thread has gone from just pure back and forth insults to actual discussion - thank you everyone

Words can have different meanings in a legal context, scientific etc.

Maybe you call your pickup truck a truck but maybe legally it's a car. Or even a car for some purposes and a truck for others. Or maybe for some purposes it is specifically a pickup truck.

I think most people call theirs trucks but i guess some say cars.

It's valid to ask these questions when writing laws: do you need a special license to drive this vehicle?

Just walking up to someone and asking "what is a truck?"doesn't advance this discussion.

Chanting "pickup trucks are cars" will not alter reality so that pickup trucks and sedans are indistinguishable.

You might be right or wrong about using different words so it's less confusing, but the above still stands.

dunno if you picked the example at random, but the pickup vs car thing was actually an exceptionally important legal matter wrt imports.

it was litigated for more than 50 years

I didn't know aboutthat case but knew that it could be an important legal distinction. While at the same time most people don't care about that in daily usage.

And someone might say they drive a truck and usually we know what they mean but sometimes it might need to be clarified that it's a pickup truck and not an 18 wheeler. I.e. they drive "trucks" but are not truckers.

Therefore just asking "what is a truck" out of the blue without context is kind of pointless and silly.

Cars are cars and trucks are trucks. Sorry guys.

It only gets blurry when you have cars built on truck frames and then if people want to call it a truck then they can.

years back i had a very lengthy argument with an ex gf over whether or not an suv was a truck - argument last months

It gets blurry there. I'm using mine as a truck currently. But once I take the tools out and flip the back seats back up it'll be a car again. That's why they're convenient.

What was her position?

Yeah. And almost nobody has positions on the definition of a truck or a sandwich that are based on bigotry, indoctrination, their interests, etc. It's just frivolous stuff, most of the time.

So that tells you that this is just how language works. It can be ambiguous and people have different intuitions about it.

If you're making a substantial decision on like if you need a truck license to drive vehicle X you don't want to be lost in your confusion about language. "I guess an SUV is a truck, so you should need a cdl."

You mentioned philosophy 101. This actually is introductory level philosophy. I'm not making all this up off the top of my head.

It's very obvious that "trans women are women" means different things to different people. Without clarification, you cannot have meaningful discussion.

she held firmly to car despite showing her official documents referring to them as trucks and that many of them are built upon truck chassis

Have you transcended beyond your gender identity? If so, what pronouns do you prefer?

Yes, my core identity is not my gender identity. Therefore, I have no reason to discriminate against my bio-sex-gender or deconstruct societal norms on gender including pronoun norms.

It’s a failure of our religious institutions and our institutions in general for the lack of inherited knowledge provided to young people on the question of “Who am I?”

I mean, there are so many who make racial, sexual, or gender identity the core identity and then call themselves “progressive”. It’s so deluded. It’s anti progress. It’s a collective failure that this is where we are as a culture with identity.

but there is context.

the "trans women are women" crowd wants trans women in women prisons, in women sports, in sororities, in lesbian associations (when they like women) and so on.

they want to legally mandate their definition, and use the monopoly of violence of the state against anyone who disagrees.

moreover, unlike car/pickup which are fairly new human inventions, women and men are very distinct categories in every human society in history and there was never this problem anywhere except exactly now, completely made up and invented by a very specific crowd, which as I amply documented did this exclusively because of Marxist reasons.

if the only people who want to define trucks bizzarelly throughout society were neo nazis, the argument would become more salient wouldn't it? at least for anyone who consider neonazis a threat to society in general. you would assume very nefarious motivations for the sudden interest in bizzare definition of motor vehicles

It makes more sense to segregate by sex than gender as men and women have different needs. We could end segregation instead of trying to make things more complicated with gender and sex.

do you understand what the problem is if you imprison men and women togheter?

There's a lot of work to do either way. Trans people exist no matter how much you hate them. The world isn't simple and it would be nice to have easy, binary solutions but we don't. Prisons, sports and everything else should end segregation. It might be easiest to treat everyone as human rather than male or female human.

except the binary solution worked everywhere for prisons sports and so on.

if you "end segregation" in sports women simply can't win anything and it's men-only at the top, is that what you want to accomplish?

if you put men in prison with women there is a loooooot of rape of women.

trans people exist, this doesn't mean we have to change what works for everyone else to accommodate them in any way or form

What happens to a trans women placed in a male prison? The solution is to make places more accommodating to humans, not reject trans because it's a difficult problem to solve.

there is no "rejection of trans". there is just treating people by their biological sex instead of gender.

we want to protect women, actual women, biological women from men because men are more aggressive, taller, stronger, and can and will abuse women.

especially criminal men.

it's far more important to protect biological women from trans women (who are biological men) , than protecting trans women (who are biological men) from men.

because there are more biological women.

moreover, given the absurd idea that self identification is the only thing that matters to determine who is trans, men rapists could simply claim they are trans women to be imprisoned with women and rape a lot of them (which btw already happened, it's not an hypothetical).

anyway, the world is agreeing with me outside very few localities governed by radical leftists, among which some already backtracked on the absurd notion of imprisoning biological men with biological women.

exactly because of the rapes.

people who followed your tragic, nonsensical "logic" imprisoned a man convicted for raping two women in women prison because he became trans in the UK.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...

that convinced enough normal, not-degen-leftists it was such an absurd, unacceptable notion they had to backtrack on the folly