Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Victor P

it was literally a political decision by Hamas. it also coincided with gaining conventional weapons and building an indigenous weapons program. so they got better options.

Yes. The environment and incentive structure changed; and so did strategy and tactics. But the point is fragmenting the West Bank has worked in the short term for Israel in controlling organized violence from this area; and the world demanding Israel stop doing this while offering nothing isn't a particularly persuasive strategy IMO.


I don't think it's feasible for 2 million Palestinians to be moved anywhere. Even if they were I don't think that actually solves the problem. It would destabilize the region even more than it is now.

And that's setting aside the morality of the issue.


If living conditions are made so terrible for them that many want to leave rather than die of malnutrition or disease...


And of course you could relocate the entire population of Israel and Palestine to the US, Canada or Australia, countries with good standards of living and low population densities.

"Blood and soil" problem solved.


Peace in the Middle East seems more likely.


Nuclear war caused by an escalation of aggression in the ME is far more likely.


by jalfrezi P

Nuclear war caused by an escalation of aggression in the ME is far more likely.

maybe one nuclear strike or a dirty bomb. I do not see nuclear war happening due to the middle east before india/pakistan or russia nuking ukraine.


the last thing iran will do is nuke Israel


It won't nuke Israel because it doesn't have nukes yet. But there are such things as tactical nukes held by countries that could be fired as a warning, plus the possibility of an accident, and I think the chances of either of those are much larger than commonly believed, and with uncertain consequences.


by jalfrezi P

It won't nuke Israel because it doesn't have nukes yet. But there are such things as tactical nukes held by countries that could be fired as a warning, plus the possibility of an accident, and I think the chances of either of those are much larger than commonly believed, and with uncertain consequences.

I don’t believe nuclear accidents besides Chernobyl like things are even possible anymore. Is Chernobyl possible again?


I'm talking about things like erroneous detection of missiles as has happened before.


by jalfrezi P

I'm talking about things like erroneous detection of missiles as has happened before.

Yes hopefully the humans in charge don’t launch if that happens. But that has always been a threat. I don’t think this conflict adjusts that threat in any meaningful manner



by jalfrezi P

It won't nuke Israel because it doesn't have nukes yet. But there are such things as tactical nukes held by countries that could be fired as a warning, plus the possibility of an accident, and I think the chances of either of those are much larger than commonly believed, and with uncertain consequences.


Dirty bomb is another risk


by PointlessWords P

I don’t believe nuclear accidents besides Chernobyl like things are even possible anymore. Is Chernobyl possible again?


Fukushima was pretty bad and could easily have been far worse.


by chezlaw P

Dirty bomb is another risk

That’s not nuclear war


by chezlaw P

Fukushima was pretty bad and could easily have been far worse.

One person died


by jalfrezi P

Why did they photoshop in a guy with a bagel in his mouth?


Why's he eating at work? I guess murdering people requires a lot of energy.


It's rather obviously not a genuine photo.


Yes I suppose looking at it with a more critical eye now it does look a bit fishy. The account seems genuine enough so I went with it, which might have been a mistake. Apologies if it's fake and any offence was caused.


this one is definitely real. and from the same hospital.


I am not sure about that particular account jal. I tend to stay away from the big accounts at this point. likewise I know that Khalisee is not a reputable source.

to see Israeli war crimes, I have found this guy to be reliable and comprehensive. altho, he did post that same picture so I dunno whats going on with it.

https://x.com/ytirawi

he basically scrolls and subscribes to Israeli soldier accounts and exposes them. this has brought some mainstream attention and he exposed the French guy who is now in hot water. only caveat is that he is a Bellingcat guy.


Yeah, I saw tirawi posted it too so figured it was genuine.


another hospital massacre is ongoing. scenes of evacuating patients on hospital beds all over twitter.



Gantz is the left alternative to Netanyahu. he wants to imprison more doctors.


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