Israel/Palestine thread

UN ceasefire zone. We could call it the "never again zone"

we split up the Koreas with a DMZ, we could do something similar with palestine and israel

There are UN "peacekeepers" in southern Lebanon, who are completely useless (at best). There is nothing to suggest a UN peacekeeping force between Israel and Palestinians would be anything but corrupt and useless. Everyone knows the UN has no will to fight, so they have no real power and can just be ignored.

Any neutral peacekeeping force would have to be willing to fight Palestinians insurgents, and subdue them using force if necessary. There has never been any international will to do this. If Israel could crush Hamas and more generally the will of Palestinian insurgents to fight, there is a world where a non corrupt UN could come in in the aftermath. But Israel doesn't appear to have the ability or political will to do this, and the UN is horrible corrupt, so this is more or less a non starter.

Is that your only argument? Thats easily solved by using honest troops that are good at fighting

The UN is insanely corrupt and useless.

Israel has a better chance of defeating Hamas than the UN does of putting together a peacekeeping force of honest troops good at fighting.

And like I said, the second insurgents start killing these troops (and they will) I dont know if there would be any political will to continue. What country (other than Israel) is willing to send in troops to die at the hands of Palestinian militants?

The political backlash would be insane, coming from all sides.

Not everyone who is in the UN is corrupt. The un is made up of volunteer forces, and the us could just send a bunch of guys there. US military doesn't have a history of stealing during these peacekeeping operations.

we can also do what we did in afghansitan; pay hamas not to attack.

We would have to have the political and military will to defeat the insurgents and restore a non corrupt order. I just dont see it. No matter how much we spent on bribes, at some point there would be fighting.

And when this happened the internal (US) political and propaganda war would be insane if US troops got directly involved on the ground. Could you imagine the political war the far left (Squad and Co) would launch in response to this. It could very easily cause an internal civil war. Especially if it happened under a Republican President.

If there was a political will to do this I am sure it could be militarily achieved, or at least attempted. I just dont see how this happens, especially after Afghanistan and Iraq.

it should be clear by now that they are not trying to "defeat the insurgents". (btw, insurgent is a terrible word choice here if you are trying to maintain the illusion that Gaza wasnt occupied and fully controlled by Israel).

they havent even been trying to take out the tunnels lol.

There are hostages in the tunnels.

by Victor P

it should be clear by now that they are not trying to "defeat the insurgents". (btw, insurgent is a terrible word choice here if you are trying to maintain the illusion that Gaza wasnt occupied and fully controlled by Israel).

they havent even been trying to take out the tunnels lol.

Talk to the moderation team. They prefer we use narrow terms like "insurgent" and "IDF," even if not particularly accurate.

Israel has taken out A LOT of tunnels. Getting to the point where Hamas has limited ability to get near the border, and may not be able to cross at all, is a pretty big win. Just because a lot of tunnels are still left doesn't mean they haven't taken out a lot, or it isn't a priority.

ForeignAffairs article I linked a few weeks ago assessed that 80% of the tunnels remained intact.

nobody really knows ofc, but there has no indication of degradation of the military ability of the Resistance.

There is no future where the potential dangers wont very significantly increase. You have no answer to stopping that. The cause has to be defeated and netanyahu is only making it stronger.

It's pure folly to believe israel can secure it's future with force. Focus on defense, Let Gaza be properly free, behave in the west bank etc. Stop all the killing, destruction and oppression that feeds the causes that hate Israel so much. Focus on those who want better relations and peace. It can take a long time and who knows how it develops. Iran has suprisingly elected a more moderate leader - make the effort. Keep making it.

I'm not sticking around. But here is the gold standard on how you would get Jews to stick around. From Meta:

https://transparency.meta.com/en-gb/Hate...
https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-...

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It's a start. Enjoy your summers.

oh wow, a bad day for people whose hobby is to do antisemitism on the internet

you should find some examples from this thread. but you wont bc you cant.

there's mountains of it. some dude was posting swastikas nonstop for like two months

by JackHi P

rafiki, respectfully, MOST Jews around the world disagree with international law, especially ones regarding the most basic of human rights, which ironically or unironically depending on your knowledge, came straight outta Nuremberg.

But surely, that doesn't make it right, yes?

no antisemitism in this thread, real tough to find examples /vic

meanwhile finding this took 25 seconds

Meanwhile, picture this

i think that if you claim a thread containing a whole bunch of swastikas has no antisemitism in it, then you should just do the thing that hamas & friends should've done a long time ago: take an L and move on

You guys have used the word zionist as an antisemitic slur throughout the thread

Victor uses tropes and then uses parenthesis so that the mods allow them

Ie

Genocide (plausible) or (allegedly)

Over 50% of jalfrezi posts are just Twitter links from antisemetic accounts with no context but when a pro Israel person posts just links they get dinged for no content posts

You chased me and rafiki away and maybe mondig you may get your jew/zionist free zone after all good job

and the guy was quickly banned

the highest Internation court uses the term plausible. thats why I use it. bc it is as accurate and precise as possible.

ofc I think it is a real genocide. but I dont say that bc no courts have confirmed it.

Can you link to institutions that are extremely critical of Israel/IDF that aren’t antisemitic?

Posts like this are not acceptable and you’ve been told again and again.

Address content, not posters, or I will notify King Spew that you are need of moderation, which we know how that will go.