2024 ELECTION THREAD

2024 ELECTION THREAD

The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?


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14 July 2022 at 02:28 PM
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by metsandfinsfan P

That's what trump's lawyers said. That's not at all what the decision said

Assassinating rivals could not be an official act and therefore he wouldn't have immunity

Is pardoning an official act ?
Use little bit of imagination to get there .


by d2_e4 P

Dude, I posted this literally 2 days ago in a different thread.

Well unlike you I can't be everywhere at the same time.


by jalfrezi P

Well unlike you I can't be everywhere at the same time.

Yes, I suppose I am rather god-like, fair point.

ETA: actually, it was this very thread - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...


by housenuts P

I'd say a 2% chance of something happening isn't much to get worked up about.

Is this some sort of world where we don't have to account for severity when evaluating risk?

You would be actively shitting your pants if you were boarding a commercial flight that had a 2% chance of crashing.


by d2_e4 P

Dude, I posted this literally 2 days ago in a different thread.

fun fact, the arabs don't even use arabic numerals anymore, everything from price tags to highway speed limit signs in the newfangled squiggly line arabic numbers


by d2_e4 P


Would you accept a 2% chance of an airplane you're flying on dropping a wing?

by Rococo P


You would be actively shitting your pants if you were boarding a commercial flight that had a 2% chance of crashing.

What's with everyone copying me all of a sudden? I mean, I know I'm a **** hot poster, but jeez guys, can you make it less obvious?


by rickroll P

fun fact, the arabs don't even use arabic numerals anymore, everything from price tags to highway speed limit signs in the newfangled squiggly line arabic numbers

I always thought cultural appropriation was more like pirating a movie than stealing a car. Guess I was wrong.


by Rococo P

Just for the laugh, what do you believe the true odds are for this question if a Democrat wins the WH in 2024?

Probably 0. If Trump loses this, he's not going to run it back in 2028. He may try but I'm guessing the RNC and the magaheads wise up and go a different path.

by d2_e4 P

You'd be wrong.

Would you accept a 2% chance of an airplane you're flying on dropping a wing?

would i take a 2% chance of dying for world peace? sure.
would i take a 2% chance of dying to win $500k? no thanks.

depends on the stakes


by housenuts P

Probably 0. If Trump loses this, he's not going to run it back in 2028. He may try but I'm guessing the RNC and the magaheads wise up and go a different path.

would i take a 2% chance of dying for world peace? sure.
would i take a 2% chance of dying to win $500k? no thanks.

depends on the stakes

What % does it need to be before lols & crypto legislation feels aren't worth the risk?


by housenuts P

Probably 0. If Trump loses this, he's not going to run it back in 2028.

I was asking what you believe are the chances that a Democrat would successfully establish a dictatorship in 2028? I thought that was what you described as a .1% risk for Trump (assuming Trump won the 2024 election).


by d2_e4 P

What % does it need to be before lols & crypto legislation feels aren't worth the risk?

I'm not sure I fully understand the question, but if the question is: what % chance does Trump retaining power in 2029 need to be for me to forego positive crypto leg. and lols?

Honestly would still do it at 100%

sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to hear or you think i'm trolling or dishonest. i'm not.


by housenuts P

I'm not sure I fully understand the question, but if the question is: what % chance does Trump retaining power in 2029 need to be for me to forego positive crypto leg. and lols?

Honestly would still do it at 100%

sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to hear or you think i'm trolling or dishonest. i'm not.

I don't think you're trolling or dishonest. I think you're too stupid to realise that half what you say contradicts the other half.


by metsandfinsfan P

That's what trump's lawyers said. That's not at all what the decision said

Assassinating rivals could not be an official act and therefore he wouldn't have immunity

The decision was in favor of his side, and the dissenting justices said he would be immune. Heading the armed forces is an official duty, and a court wouldn't even be allowed to question the motive of why he wanted that person to be killed.

I guess you know the judgement better than Sotomayor though. 🙄


by Rococo P

I was asking what you believe are the chances that a Democrat would successfully establish a dictatorship in 2028? I thought that was what you described as a .1% risk for Trump (assuming Trump won the 2024 election).

every Democrat but Biden will be able to run-it-back in 2028. The odds of 85 year old Biden doing it are 0. Assuming a different Dem wins in 2024, them running it back is probably 55/45 (think that's about the odds of incumbents winning again). I wouldn't classify that as a dictatorship though.


by d2_e4 P

I don't think you're trolling or dishonest. I think you're too stupid to realise that half what you say contradicts the other half.

for my enlightenment and education, can you please direct me to one contradictory thing?


by housenuts P

for my enlightenment and education, can you please direct me to one contradictory thing?

You accepted that Trump becoming a dictator is a bad thing, yet you have just stated you'd still support him if there were 100% chance of it happening. Either one of these statements is a lie or you just don't understand how basic logic works, and I suspect it's the latter.


by housenuts P

Probably 0. If Trump loses this, he's not going to run it back in 2028. He may try but I'm guessing the RNC and the magaheads wise up and go a different path.

would i take a 2% chance of dying for world peace? sure.
would i take a 2% chance of dying to win $500k? no thanks.

depends on the stakes

So "the lolz" is equivalent to world peace in your analogy?


by d2_e4 P

You accepted that Trump becoming a dictator is a bad thing, yet you have just stated you'd still support him if there were 100% chance of it happening. Either one of these statements is a lie or you just don't understand how basic logic works, and I suspect it's the latter.

What?

Is getting punched in the arm a bad thing? Yes
Is getting a million dollars a good thing? Yes

Is it contradictory to say I would get punched in the arm for a million dollars?

You need weigh the good vs the bad.

In your example there was a dictator trump (bad) but came with pro crypto legislation (good) and lols (good). In that example the good outweighs the bad, so I support it.


by housenuts P

What?

Is getting punched in the arm a bad thing? Yes
Is getting a million dollars a good thing? Yes

Is it contradictory to say I would get punched in the arm for a million dollars?

You need weigh the good vs the bad.

In your example there was a dictator trump (bad) but came with pro crypto legislation (good) and lols (good). In that example the good outweighs the bad, so I support it.

Ok, I mean, I didn't realise that when you said "bad" you meant "punched in the arm/mosquito bite" bad. In that case you weren't being contradictory, just disingenuous when you agreed it was bad when in reality you're pretty much indifferent to it.


Its easy to engage in sophistry when everything is meaningless to you. Its clear Housenuts only cares about BTC price going up. Literally nothing else.

Thats fine, but you basically aren't a human being at that point.


by d2_e4 P

Ok, I mean, I didn't realise that when you said "bad" you meant "punched in the arm/mosquito bite" bad. In that case you weren't being contradictory, just disingenuous when you agreed it was bad when in reality you're pretty much indifferent to it.

It's terrible. Very bad route for American democracy to go.
But when weighed against the good in your example, it's worth it.

I'm guessing you could probably find some things you would accept in return for a Trump democracy.

If not, well you're a very benevolent person. Probably the only one in the world.

If there's any tradeoff in the world you would accept, you are contradictory and indifferent to it.


by housenuts P

It's terrible. Very bad route for American democracy to go.
But when weighed against the good in your example, it's worth it.

I'm guessing you could probably find some things you would accept in return for a Trump democracy.

If not, well you're a very benevolent person. Probably the only one in the world.

If there's any tradeoff in the world you would accept, you are contradictory and indifferent to it.

Freudian slip there, champ, I think you meant Trump dictatorship.

What "good" in my example? The "good" stated so far has been lols and feels about BTC prices, and those are your examples, not mine.

The bolded statement is nonsense and another example of a rhetorical trick that you think is smart but is both transparent and juvenile.


by housenuts P

It's terrible. Very bad route for American democracy to go.
But when weighed against the good in your example, it's worth it.

I'm guessing you could probably find some things you would accept in return for a Trump democracy.

If not, well you're a very benevolent person. Probably the only one in the world.

If there's any tradeoff in the world you would accept, you are contradictory and indifferent to it.

Would you personally accept a dictatorship in your home country if it meant your BTC stack went up 25%? Whats the threshold there, 75%? 100%?

What if that dictator then appropriated all crypto because it potentially undermined their power? I mean, lol.


by d2_e4 P

Freudian slip there, champ, I think you meant Trump dictatorship.

What "good" in my example? The "good" stated so far has been lols and feels about BTC prices, and those are your examples, not mine.

The bolded statement is nonsense and another example of a rhetorical trick that you think is smart but is both transparent and juvenile.

yes meant trump dictatorship.

this was your question!

by d2_e4 P

What % does it need to be before lols & crypto legislation feels aren't worth the risk?

stop being nonsense.

you're accusing me of being contradictory and not thinking dictatorship is bad. the exact same reasoning can be applied to you. your logic is on par with the DNC running back Biden. piss poor.


by d2_e4 P

Yes, I suppose I am rather god-like, fair point.

ETA: actually, it was this very thread - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Ha, well ok, if the software was any good it would have shown a message that it had been posted before, but hey.

Anyway, I guess it's not a bad idea to remind people of who's actually voting in this election.


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