Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
I'm being told by Mets privately that he's in trouble and that cross is about to ban him for a "nothing" post. What's going on here?
Of course none of that is true. Mets was warned last week by King Spew and the rest of the moderation team that his next issue would be a permanent one, and he needed to be on good behavior for the next 6 months. I’ve been fighting to make this work behind the scenes, but of course, this was probably not mentioned.
Mets came into the thread to complain about posters and accused me of targeting Jews with moderation, chasing the Jews out of the thread, and wanting a “Jew-free” zone.
Instead of just using that as the “excuse” to ban him and be done with this, I instead warned him *again* not to do that and gave him a 90 point infraction so he would still take it seriously (lolme)
I see he’s decided to respond to with the above, and I’m just done with the headaches- the same headache over the same thing over and over- that yeah now he’s gone.
Ask me in a month if I’ll reconsider. I’m done with this.
There’s clearly some sort of personal issue between that mod and the Mets poster. He’s not even close to the worst poster and has repeatedly been punished for benign posts.
crossnerd's entry into that thread was non-stop trolling of mets, up to and including her trolling him for not having any kids
i think he had her on ignore for most of it but that did not slow her down at all
my working theory is that mets defeated her in a game of pog werewolf 14 years ago or something and she never got over it, but who knows
Boids, I think you’re projecting
Why’s he banned????
As someone who has never even glanced inside the IP thread, whenever posts are copied into here it seems like mets is way less aggro than some other posters. However based on the posts that make it here it also seems that Crossnerd is entirely correct in saying that his posts are directly targeting other posters where others are not. That could just be because other posters are better at toeing the line but, whether you like it or not, knowing how to use language in an appropriate way to get your point across within the rules does matter on this sort of platform.
Now that might not be "fair" but I don't envy anyone who's trying to moderate that thread and if the rules are explicit that the line is crossed when addressing posters instead of content then based on the posts referenced in this thread they seem to be being enforced reasonably (not commenting on extent of action - as that requires wider context that I don't have because, again, I am judging only on posts that are referenced in this thread - just whether a post is worthy of moderator action).
Crossnerd has been doing an excellent job.
I/P is just a highly emotional topic so that when one party's "team member" is getting the mod stick for stepping out of line, people get butthurt.
Of course none of that is true. Mets was warned last week by King Spew and the rest of the moderation team that his next issue would be a permanent one, and he needed to be on good behavior for the next 6 months. I’ve been fighting to make this work behind the scenes, but of course, this was probably not mentioned.
Mets came into the thread to complain about posters and accused me of targeting Jews with moderation, chasing the Jews ou
I think everybody wants to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your modding decisions, as are new to the whole thing. There have been accusations of biases, both personal and political, driving your mod decisions in this forum since you came in. When it came out a week or two ago that you have had a long vendetta with Mets, I honestly believe that most people knew that there was a serious problem brewing around here. You backed off and ensured the forum that you would not be moderating Mets; that you will leave the mod decisions regarding that poster up to KS. Here we now are, with you banning him (permanently? for a month?) after calling him a terrible poster.
If you were to attack Mets as a mere user, just as many mods do all the time around here, then it wouldn't be a problem. You are clearly incapable of doing that. You are using your mod powers against a long-time poster because you have personal animosity toward him, and there is no denying that anymore. I cannot think of anything that will kill this forum faster than a runaway mod that takes mod actions against users for personal reasons. If you couldn't set aside your personal biases against people with whom you have a history, you should never have lobbied to become a moderator of this forum.
This has taken a seriously disappointing turn. Shame on you.
What vendetta? I don’t agree with his political views and I don’t particularly care for the way he posts them either. I haven’t spent time posting around Mets much in the last ten years. A full decade.
Despite that, I reached out to him immediately when I became a moderator and tried to make sure he knew that. I undertook a lot of effort to ensuring whatever issues he had were put to rest. Since then, he has made a lot of personal accusations and I don’t find it appropriate at all. It makes me uncomfortable.
For as much as he is determined to make this personal, I am determined for it not to be.
Also, King Spew is the one who warned him his next moderation issue would be a permanent ban. No warnings or threats have ever seemed to work. Maybe this will.
the mere fact that crossnerd is able to admit her own biases and calmly discuss with others as they point out how harsh and unfair she may have been in my mind means she has the makings of a great mod - i don't know any who would have tolerated this kind of "dissent" as it usually gets shut down with bans and threats
kudos to you cn
I think everybody wants to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your modding decisions, as are new to the whole thing. There have been accusations of biases, both personal and political, driving your mod decisions in this forum since you came in. When it came out a week or two ago that you have had a long vendetta with Mets, I honestly believe that most people knew that there was a serious problem brewing around here. You backed o
Lighten up, Francis.
Donkjr,
Crossnerd clearly set rules regarding the I/P thread.
Mets clearly has broken them many times, as well as others that have been on the other side if his arguments.
It’s like you guys forget we did this exact thing with him like a week ago. He can’t stop fighting with other posters OR the mods.
the mere fact that crossnerd is able to admit her own biases and calmly discuss with others as they point out how harsh and unfair she may have been in my mind means she has the makings of a great mod - i don't know any who would have tolerated this kind of "dissent" as it usually gets shut down with bans and threats
kudos to you cn
She literally put people in midnight thread thread time outs a dozen times.
Which 2+2 mod has ever done that in the history of this forum? Never.
She literally put people in midnight thread thread time outs a dozen times.
Which 2+2 mod has ever done that in the history of this forum? Never.
i'm seeing her calmly discuss that with you guys now instead of warning you to stfu or straight banning - which is what i've seen mulitple times
about half the bans i've received on 2p2 are for protesting the actions of a mod and not at all regarding any posting behavior
it takes a very strong person who can wield the power to make you go away or stfu and stand there taking abuse hearing about how much they suck
so i mean that earnestly, that you may disagree with her decisions, but fact she's willing to discuss them with you now is a very good sign
her predecessor bowser banned more people for dissenting his decisions that anything else and that is very recent
Dude, the le Creuset thing was a joke, although in hindsight it should have been a serious demand lol…
Y'all should just make me mod. I promise to put as much effort into moderating as I do into posting.
As I remember it, Crossnerd was planting the seeds that she wanted to be a mod here months before it happened.
As far as I know, she was the only person willing to do the job after I quit. And if everyone continues with this whining, I'm sure she will grow to hate the job (if she isn't there already).
I feel like I deserve one at this point :(
Was he permabanned or temp banned? I'd certainly hope that someone who's spent half of the last 15 years of their life literally on 2+2 must have done something ****ing egregious that isn't and can't be discussed in order to get banned for life. I personally never saw a post or a "body of work" that would have warranted that for someone holding the post record.
I mean… as others have already pointed out, it’s “permanent” until he understands why this happened, stops with the maladaptive behaviors, and successfully convinces me to reverse it. Contrition is usually the way to go, but from what I understand that does not seem to be the route he is choosing. It’s sort of up to him, honestly.
