Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
see that's unfair because everyone knows you don't have a mom, i'd just have to insult whichever couch you crawled out of
One of the Jewish people who doesn't post in that thread any more is microbet, who was accused by Mets of something like being a fake Jew for not being supportive enough of Israel's actions.
If anyone's been "chasing Jews away" it's him, but of course Mets' behaviour goes uncriticised by his team mates.
There's no anti-Semitism in that thread and not one person has anything against Jewish people. Some do have a big problem with the Israeli government and IDF, though.
Jal, these are all examples of antisemitic behavior:
-Oct 7th was an inside job
-Posting fake photoshops of prisoners with bagels in their mouths
-Saying "Israel is like Sparta"
-Denying Israel should exist
-Saying the only Jewish self determined country in the world is chalked full of "psychotic, racist pieces of ****"
And now Meta is doing what a lot of sane online platforms are saying, and that's realizing the "Zionist" loophole. Over 4/5 Jews is a Zionist. Jews have a right to a homeland just as the Arabs have all of theirs. So the "I don't mean Jews I mean Zionists" loophole is starting to close in the places doing the job. https://transparency.meta.com/en-gb/Hate...
But in the end, Jews don't feel safe in that thread anymore. You don't have to tell us how we feel. We're just telling YOU how we feel. And you don't have to have an opinion on that. But I get that you're going to share it (so by all means).
Id love to hear ways that I may improve, which is why I initially reached out to you, but I assume you’re sticking to vague comments like the above?
It's a fair ask. Give me a few days and I'll PM you. The others can chime in in that time.
But in a nutshell I think somewhere along the way this became a bit more emotional than is ideal. In a place that stirs up emotions, which is the challenge of the ask.
complete distortion of reality
I'd certainly hope that someone who's spent half of the last 15 years of their life literally on 2+2 must have done something ****ing egregious that isn't and can't be discussed in order to get banned for life.
there have been multiple cases of long-time posters in good standing having their accounts summarily nuked from orbit bc they did the "bad" post in the wrong place at the wrong time. have no opinion on the most recent ban except to point out that Mets has been extended a degree of consideration that others, who have done far less, have not.
i have no horse in this race, but you're arguing that anyone saying anything negative about israel or disagreeing with israel's version of events is anti-semitic and that's just saying "nobody who is jewish can ever be judged nor questioned"
Lol
Is it your position that saying anything is an inside job anywhere is anti-Semitic?
When the world does what the world has done since before the death of Christ, which is "BLAME THE JEWS", yes that's antisemitism. That is exactly what that looks like.
Beyond that I have no opinions. I'm talking about a very specific thing this world has tended to do, and continues to do.
When the world does what the world has done since before the death of Christ, which is "BLAME THE JEWS", yes that's antisemitism. That is exactly what that looks like.
Beyond that I have no opinions. I'm talking about a very specific thing this world has tended to do, and continues to do.
Instead of doubling down it would have been better if you tried walking it back some.
i have no horse in this race, but you're arguing that anyone saying anything negative about israel or disagreeing with israel's version of events is anti-semitic and that's just saying "nobody who is jewish can ever be judged nor questioned"
I don't think Rafiki is going as far as you are saying, but I can see why you think so. If one is part of an ethnic group that has historically been the target of intense hate, it can l become very easy to be overly sensitive to any criticism. Obviously not all criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but a lot of it is, and it can become easy to put it all in the same bucket.
I think the things that Rafiki is describing are clearly antisemitic. "Jews did 9/11" is obviously antisemitic, and I'm surprised that people are arguing otherwise. It is so obviously antisemitic that it is more of a joke on the Internet than something people take seriously.
i have no horse in this race, but you're arguing that anyone saying anything negative about israel or disagreeing with israel's version of events is anti-semitic and that's just saying "nobody who is jewish can ever be judged nor questioned"
a lot of the pro-Israel crowd (not speaking for rafki or anyone here fwiw) are very critical of certain Jewish people.
I don't think Rafiki is going as far as you are saying, but I can see why you think so. If one is part of an ethnic group that has historically been the target of intense hate, it can l become very easy to be overly sensitive to any criticism. Obviously not all criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but a lot of it is, and it can become easy to put it all in the same bucket.
I think the things that Rafiki is describing are clearly antisemitic.
I asked Rafiki if saying that 9/11 was an inside job should be considered anti-American and his response was to say that it's actually anti-Semitic.
i have no horse in this race, but you're arguing that anyone saying anything negative about israel or disagreeing with israel's version of events is anti-semitic and that's just saying "nobody who is jewish can ever be judged nor questioned"
I personally think Jews play the victim card too much, like everyone else who plays the victim card.
But the point is 10/7 conspiracy theories are't happening in a vacuum. There is a 2,000 year old history of 'conspiracy theories' where Jews always end up the bad guys, and persecuting them is framed as a justifiable act in response. And the current "10/7 was an inside job" conspiracy theory definitely appears to be following this historical pattern.
