Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread

Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.

This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.

Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.

Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.

So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.

Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.

So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.

We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.

Thanks.

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by jalfrezi P

People talked about Messi destroying teams despite him not being the GK, four defenders, three midfielders and three strikers all at the same time.

Stalin is not Jordan or Messi in this scenario. This has already been covered.

by jalfrezi P


I think you're all bored and looking to create trouble.

Your boy is the one making controversial claims, and the people responding to him are the ones looking to create trouble. Got it.


Nah, saying Stalin won the war is a simplification of something complex but it's mostly true. The Americans accelerated Hitler's defeat thank god and ensured Russia didn't encroach any further into Western Europe than Eastern Germany but Hitler was done with or without them.


by jalfrezi P

Nah, saying Stalin won the war is a simplification of something complex but it's mostly true.

What is it a simplification of? I can't think of any remotely true statement that simplifies to that.


It's a simplification of a complex situation with the Allies taking a lot of destruction and casualties but nothing compared to Russia.

And this is from someone whose family lived in Coventry.


by jalfrezi P

Nah, saying Stalin won the war is a simplification of something complex but it's mostly true. The Americans accelerated Hitler's defeat thank god and ensured Russia didn't encroach any further into Western Europe than Eastern Germany but Hitler was done with or without them.

this is not what he said at all


by jalfrezi P

It's a simplification of a complex situation with the Allies taking a lot of destruction and casualties but nothing compared to Russia.

And this is from someone whose family lived in Coventry.

None of that implies that Stalin defeated Hitler, which is the agenda Victor is pushing here. It's one thing to have a reasoned discussion about which side contributed what. It's a completely different thing to spew commie propaganda backed up by faulty logic and misleading statistics.


by rickroll P

this is not what he said at all


So quote what he said that's so controversial.


by jalfrezi P

Nah, saying Stalin won the war is a simplification of something complex but it's mostly true. The Americans accelerated Hitler's defeat thank god and ensured Russia didn't encroach any further into Western Europe than Eastern Germany but Hitler was done with or without them.

Ya


by jalfrezi P

So quote what he said that's so controversial.

That the Soviet Union won World War II. Which he's walked back to 80-90% won World War II, whatever that means.


That's a paraphrase not a quotation.


by d2_e4 P

None of that implies that Stalin defeated Hitler, which is the agenda Victor is pushing here. It's one thing to have a reasoned discussion about which side contributed what. It's a completely different thing to spew commie propaganda backed up by faulty logic and misleading statistics.

ok fine USA beat Hitler


by jalfrezi P

That's a paraphrase not a quotation.

Pretty accurate paraphrase.

by Victor P

Stalin beat the Nazis so that gives him a bit of leeway with me. I understand that it is a negative to most Westerners.

by Victor P

Soviets did about 90% of the beating iirc. the West did a good job bombing civilians as usual.


Yes, as I said it's oversimplified but if you want to attribute Hitler's defeat to one entity only then it's obviously the USSR.


guys guys. I was wrong. I just looked it up. Hitler beat Hilter. or maybe Eva Braun did.


by Victor P

Soviets did about 90% of the beating iirc. the West did a good job bombing civilians as usual.

"simplification of a complex situation but its mostly true"


by jalfrezi P

Yes, as I said it's oversimplified but if you want to attribute Hitler's defeat to one entity only then it's obviously the USSR.

Is it obvious? Far from obvious to me.


USSR 2 Germany 0

Assists from UK and USA. France limped off claiming an injury in the 5th minute.


by d2_e4 P

Pretty accurate paraphrase.

The number was 75%

He was off by like 20% using the top of his head.


Who cares


by PointlessWords P

The number was 75%

He was off by like 20% using the top of his head.


Who cares

No, it wasn't. When is this work in progress of reading and comprehending what others have written before responding going to be complete?

Hint: The % of soldiers killed does not correspond to the % of war won.


by d2_e4 P

Is it obvious? Far from obvious to me.

You and vic have more in common than you (want to?) realise: you're both aware that you were heavily propagandised during your formative years.


by jalfrezi P

USSR 2 Germany 0

Assists from UK and USA. France limped off claiming an injury in the 5th minute.

So D-Day, Bletchley Park and the Manhattan Project to name a couple of notable things were just assists. Got it.


by jalfrezi P

You and vic have more in common than you (want to?) realise: you're both aware that you were heavily propagandised during your formative years.

One of us still is, just stopped being aware. I guess you and I disagree which one.

Anyway, the Berlin Wall fell when I was 7 and we emigrated to the UK when I was 8, so I don't know that I was particularly heavily propagandised, and certainly not in my formative years.


Well I mean that's virtually a perfect description (as far as sporting analogies go) of Bletchley Park isn't it.


by jalfrezi P

Well I mean that's virtually a perfect description (as far as sporting analogies go) of Bletchley Park isn't it.

Analogies are overused and not usually helpful in understanding the nuances of a situation.


The reason we do use analogies is to help us understand a situation by drawing on similarities with other more familiar situations.


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