[WPT Global] Official Thread
Hi 2+2ers,
Welcome to the official WPT Global thread!
WPT Global is the real-money online poker business of the World Poker Tour, and we’re about to celebrate our two-year anniversary, having launched in April 2022. After such a short time, we’re already the third-largest online poker room in the world (ranked by PokerScout.com, based on cash game traffic).
We’re joining TwoPlusTwo to share information with you, engage with the community, and answer any questions you might have.
WPT Global is special for a few reasons:
- Our modern platform has been built from the beginning to leverage AI technology. We use this in two main ways. The first is to protect the games by detecting collusion, bot use, RTA use and other forms of cheating extremely quickly. We have the best Game Integrity tech I’ve experienced in my 19 years in the industry, and a team of around 50 people using it.
- The second way we utilise AI technology is in managing our ecology. We ensure that games are sustainable and beatable by reserving seats in every game for casual players and limiting the number of seats per table that can be occupied by highly skilled professionals. I’ll go into more detail on this point later, in the below FAQ, but the net result is - we have the softest cash games you’ll find online, and typical win-rates for regs are 5-10x higher than elsewhere. (If you don't’ believe me, just try them and see for yourself).
- We have had a large liquidity pool from the very beginning, especially in cash games. This is because we partnered with a couple of successful Asia-facing poker rooms to bootstrap their liquidity. Most poker startups face an enormous challenge in growing their liquidity from scratch - this solution allowed us to launch with cash games running 24/7 and it contributes to our soft player pool. Now, WPT Global is a large poker site in its own right and less dependent on the Asia liquidity, and we’re growing our games in US Dollars all the time.
- There is enormous value on offer - our explicit aim is to pay back more to players via promotions and giveaways than any other site. Check out our current promotions here.
- Global Spins is our unique twist on the Jackpot SNG concept, with a progressive jackpot and the lowest rake in the industry (5%).
- As part of the World Poker Tour family, we’re the best place to qualify for WPT events around the world, like the WPT World Championship at the Wynn later this year.
Some of you might remember me and my colleague WPT Global Peter from our previous roles. Many years ago, I was one of the first site representatives ever to engage with the 2+2 community, as the first PokerStars representative in the ‘PokerStars Software Improvement Thread’. Later, Peter and I ran the ‘Official MPN - Microgaming Poker Network...’. You can expect a similar level of transparency and responsiveness here. While I don’t promise to respond to every single thing, no constructive question or criticism is off limits.
I look forward to engaging with you all!
All the best,
Alex Scott
President, WPT Global
(X/Twitter: @AlexScott72o)
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FAQ
You can also read a more general FAQ on our website, here.
What countries is WPT Global available in?
Currently, we have a .com licence and have not entered any regulated markets (although we will start to do so later this year). We’re open to most markets that have yet to regulate, including Canada (except Ontario), Ireland, New Zealand and most of Latin America, Asia and Africa.
We don’t (yet) accept players from the US, UK, Australia, Russia, and most of Europe. If you’re from one of these countries and want to qualify for WPT events then Club WPT might work for you!
See our Terms and Conditions (section 2.5) for more detailed information.
How does the ecology management system work? Do you ban winners from playing at WPT Global?
Our ecology management system is specifically designed so that we can run sustainable games without having to penalise winners.
In cash games, our AI technology measures the skill level of every player and predicts their win rate. The model is highly accurate and continually updates so that it cannot be abused or ‘gamed’.
We reserve a number of seats at each cash game table for players that fall into one of our ‘casual player’ categories. In our most popular game (8-Handed NLHE with an ante and a straddle) we reserve six of the eight seats for casual players, which effectively means that highly-skilled pros can only occupy two seats.
Because there is plenty of liquidity, if you find yourself categorised as a pro, you can still always find a game to play at any stake, and you can guarantee yourself a seat in a great game if you start a table, since our ecology management system ensures that only one other pro can sit with you.
The system does not categorise players by their actual win rate, but by how skilled they are. If you have a great run of luck, you will not necessarily be categorised as a pro, and vice versa, you will not necessarily be categorised as a casual player if you run bad.
We find that once players get used to the system, they love it. Both pros and beginners have a better experience because we eliminate some of the common predatory behaviour that occurs elsewhere, and pros can achieve significantly higher win rates. I encourage you to give it a try!
What’s with the games in CNY currency?
Because we partnered with Asia-facing poker rooms to launch, some of our games are in Chinese Yuan (CNY) currency. At the time of writing, the exchange rate to the dollar is about 7.25 CNY to the USD. As we’ve become less dependent on the Asian liquidity we have introduced more USD games. Most cash games and all tournaments including Global Spins are now available in USD, and for those of you that want to play in the CNY games, there’s a handy currency converter in the lobby, and the ability to change the stacks to BB.
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Edit/MH: WPT Global Peter
My mistake.
Pokerking is saying something to you Alex? Do u want show you some hhs?
also can we get a second 0.20/0.50(0.10) plo 5card table please there seems to be a bug where a second table opens but nobody can see it(im biggest loser there so no restricted table etc hehe)
This bug still exists do you think this will be fixed anytime soon?(you sometimes have like 5 observers because the table is full 😃)
Is it possible somehow to download / import hands somewhere to be able to see my graph/stats etc? :s
Also, pleeease put even just a tiny guarantee on the PLO MTTs... Im sure theyll run..
Lmao you legends <3
Better reach the guarantee now lmao ill rebuy as many times as needed!
Hello, WPTALEX
I heard WPT is no longer offering rakeback to skilled players is this true?
Hi WPT global Alex, I hope you can take a look at this tournament where the guaranteed prize pool wasn’t paid out fully. Only 79 players but prize allocated to 352 players. I believe the site should distribute the guaranteed prize pool based on the number of entrants.
We have just 3 days left of our Preheat Festival and Summer Festival satellites will begin this coming Sunday! Today's schedule:
There are 4 more day 1 flights before our $22 Mini Championship Day 2 ($80,000 GTD) begins tomorrow!
Any changes to structure or other?
I believe that this has been discussed with you ad nauseam, on the multiple other platforms you have raised this on
PokerKing is a partner on our network but I have absolutely no influence over their decisions I'm afraid, they are a completely separate company.
This bug still exists do you think this will be fixed anytime soon?(you sometimes have like 5 observers because the table is full 😃)
It is a known issue and I'm hoping it will be resolved in the next update (waiting on a date for it).
Is it possible somehow to download / import hands somewhere to be able to see my graph/stats etc? :s
We don't have hand history functionality, but we will probably implement something to allow players to track their own gameplay in the future.
Hello, WPTALEX
I heard WPT is no longer offering rakeback to skilled players is this true?
Not quite. From 1st August we'll no longer be paying revenue share to affiliate partners on NLHE and Short Deck cash game play, on stakes where the player is classified as highly-skilled. (We're still paying rev share on all other game formats like Omaha, MTT, and spins, and on NLHE and Short Deck stakes where the player is not classified as highly-skilled).
Some affiliates who offer rakeback to pros (something we always strongly discouraged) will therefore have to adjust the deals they have given to players.
There are various reasons for this but essentially, pros are, on the whole, winning much more on WPTG before rewards than they do on other networks after rewards. It is not necessary for us to further incentivise pros to play in games that they are already crushing. The money that we previously spent doing this will be allocated to other promos and rewards.
Not quite. From 1st August we'll no longer be paying revenue share to affiliate partners on NLHE and Short Deck cash game play, on stakes where the player is classified as highly-skilled. (We're still paying rev share on all other game formats like Omaha, MTT, and spins, and on NLHE and Short Deck stakes where the player is not classified as highly-skilled).
Some affiliates who offer rakeback to pros (something we always strongly discourage
To follow up the question, how do I know if these players are classified as highly skilled or not?
Was explained here like 45 times already their own ai classifies your playstyle - winnings/losings are irrelevant.
There is a bug now when you leave a table it doesnt close in the software itself(I guess) and when you wanna rejoin it it says table viewing limit expired(so you cant sit next 24h). Occured like 5 times to me today, always on the low stakes 4 card tables so if it happens to somebody else too might explain why volume down(since nobody can sit after joining and leaving once).
Will update if it happens more often next days.
edit: this only happened on 4card tables in the low stakes category so far not on 5card if that helps
You said a rewards/vip system is incoming, will this be open to ''high-skilled pros''?
Not quite. From 1st August we'll no longer be paying revenue share to affiliate partners on NLHE and Short Deck cash game play, on stakes where the player is classified as highly-skilled. (We're still paying rev share on all other game formats like Omaha, MTT, and spins, and on NLHE and Short Deck stakes where the player is not classified as highly-skilled).
Some affiliates who offer rakeback to pros (something we always strongly discourage
IMHO you are greatly underestimating the drop in traffic you would have. A winning poker player doesn't think in terms of BB/100, but how much he can win on average in an hour. Considering that after being recognized as skilled players, it is often not fast to play 3/4 tables even if you are a 'table starter', you will play many fewer hands compared to a room where 6, 9, 12 tables are being played after 5 minutes of play .
Furthermore, if you often start tables something must be subtracted from the estimates you make regarding the BB 100 more that can be won on WPT compared to other poker rooms. This is because starting many tables often means playing several hands HU, 3 handed, 4 handed between regs, which considering the rake levels of your room, are situations in which you probably lose money.
If we add to the large difference in hands that are played in an hour, the fact that other rooms have rakeback, it would probably no longer be advantageous in terms of hourly profit to play on WPT.
Furthermore, since you are not allowed to play in WPT with the tracker running even if you are not using it for WPT, the option of playing on multiple poker rooms at the same time also becomes unlikely.
IMHO you are greatly underestimating the drop in traffic you would have. A winning poker player doesn't think in terms of BB/100, but how much he can win on average in an hour. Considering that after being recognized as skilled players, it is often not fast to play 3/4 tables even if you are a 'table starter', you will play many fewer hands compared to a room where 6, 9, 12 tables are being played after 5 minutes of play .
Furthermore, if yo
ya very true, for pros wpt is not gonna be enough anymore, not enough value and since you cant use hud anymore there wont be a single pro anymore on the site.
what wpt alex doesnt understand is that, on other sites you can put a lot more volume in not only because you can play more table but also because there isnt the AI table mixing thing.
even the private apps lile poker bros they wouldnt dare taking rakeback because the know its gonna be ghost town
Big day for our [B]Preheat Festival[/B], with Day 2 of our $80,000 guaranteed $22 Mini Championship as well as our $2,100 High Roller PKO ($200,000 GTD).
There are 2 flights left for the $22 Mini Championship, with a 100 seat guaranteed feeder starting in ~60 minutes
There is 1 more feeder to the $2,100 High Roller, starting at 10:45 ET. 8 seats guaranteed for this one, and is the usual $220 BI. You can start to qualify for this from $0.55
I can change the name of the MTT to be your WPTG name...
Just to confirm - you tried to sit at a specific seat at a table, but the software sat you in a different seat, is that correct? If possible, please record a video of this so I can report it to the team. Might just be a UX issue on our end.
This happens all the time since I started grinding on WPT (10 months or so) its bug or recreational protection
To be sure I understand - you are seated at a table, but nobody joins you? What game type and stakes are you playing?
IMO it was/is/and will be almost no chance to start a new table that will become a really good table. Something is wrong with the algorithm and tables are not shown in the lobby of recreationals, or it is on purpose (this is a much higher probability)
Not quite. From 1st August we'll no longer be paying revenue share to affiliate partners on NLHE and Short Deck cash game play, on stakes where the player is classified as highly-skilled. (We're still paying rev share on all other game formats like Omaha, MTT, and spins, and on NLHE and Short Deck stakes where the player is not classified as highly-skilled).
Some affiliates who offer rakeback to pros (something we always strongly discourage
I doubt that WPT is in a position of market strength, that this will somehow "help" the game's integrity and sustainability. A lot of regs (even small winners) will be gone soon. As mentioned, lack of HUD if somebody combines multiple poker sites + really bad liquidity of tables if tagged as HSP + software with a TON of mini bugs + an extremely huge list of banned countries...But yeah, good luck 😀
No, they won't disappear if you deposit. It might be that the above mentioned configuration problem (not enough tables being created) was affecting you, we also have more traffic now at those stakes than we did a few months ago.
Yeah, they will disappear in a few minutes / small NO. of hours after you start grinding
Thanks, I'll have a look
Out of interest do you have any filters enabled besides stakes? If not - just sit down, you're guaranteed a great game and tables at 10/20/40 fill pretty quickly.
This is how it looks all the time for me. If you sit at 10/20/40 there is for sure no guarantee of a great game, most likely very mediocre with other regulars and one 50bb 28/10 recreational
Hi Alex,
this new change is a bit of a non-sense. Here I will talk based on my experience at the 25/50/100 and 50/100/200 tables which is what I play
You are saying that WPTG wants regs to start tables and create action - i'm not sure how you can expect that to keep happening if you remove our rakeback. Most if not all our wins come's from rakeback for the major part of players. I personally pay between 30 000 to 40 000$ a month in rake to WPTG playing there full time and without rakeback there's just no point for me (and I assume many regs) playing on WPTG.
The rake on WPTG at highstakes is HUGE compared to other sites and it's not true we have 5-6 recreations per table at those stakes like at lower stakes, the ratio is more 1 to 2 recreational per table, which is pretty good - with rakeback. The rake at those tables in BB/100 are much higher compare to other sites.
I do not see how the 25/50/100 will keep running like it was if you don't have regulars starting game often like it's the case right now. You are also going in the opposite direction of what you are saying WPT wanted (reg to start games, create action/games)
My prediction is that within the first two weeks of this change at the 100+ table, the action will go from 7-8 tables peak to 2-3 tables and eventually just be a limit where regulars sit if the table is amazing and they have a seat,
I think that WPT even considering all is flawed had a pretty good thing going for all customers but this change will kill all the highstakes action, similar to what happened with GG when they tried to increase the rake (which is what WPT just did, increase our rake by near 100%)
If a known regular with a voice in the community wants to organize and start a boycott at the 25/50/100+ tables please start a thread or DM me
Haha if I'm unable to change screen name then sure, that'd be cool :P Much prefer Yazzx tho lol
Haha if I'm unable to change screen name then sure, that'd be cool :P Much prefer Yazzx tho lol
Actually, keep Yazzx in the name if you do decide to continue it :P <3 WPT quickly becoming my new fave site.. I just need a new PC so I can actually put in some real volume :p
Guys, i'm pretty sure they are ****in lie with this rule.
The story is this: WPT bought the PokerKing network and pool about two years ago or something and changed the software, but PokerKing is still running for the Asian market. If you don't know what PokerKing is, I will tell you... it is supposed to serve only the Asian market. If you want to know more about this, there is already a topic here on 2+2.
My problem is not their purchase of PokerKing; my problem is that they are lying. I have a video of this segregation that PokerKing implemented about two years ago, and the reason wasn't this "skilled players and fish".. it was about winning players and losing players. If you are a winning player, you can't see the tables anymore. We, as a site, don't want winning players because they don't keep the money inside the site, which means less rake.
