The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I don’t know why this needs to be said but it is up to kids how and when they choose to be out to their parents. Many will wait years if they know their parents are homophobic or transphobic. It’s up to them. I’d hope they feel safe enough to share with someone else in their lives if that is the case. Like maybe a trusted teacher.
This.
if kids are going by different names and genders in school then they are no out
again, we're not talking about adults, we're talking about children
lol rickroll not only likes posts talking about me (while on ignore), and comments to posts responding to me (while on ignore), he is now doing the Twitter classic of subtweeting me (while on ignore).
Amazing.
i do draw a fairly hard line when it comes to government taking a role in parenting
there's a good reason why nobody disagrees with the fact that parents can veto their kids from seeing stargate or playing football
this is no different except for you attach a greater value to this over watching movies and playing sports
i strongly dislike religion, i think it's incredibly stupid - lots of kids don't want to go to bible camp or sunday school, y
While I have no idea why a science fiction movie would be shown in a class, if for some reason this is believed by the vast majority of people important to schooling, then it would be ridiculous for an individual parent to be able to stop the entire class from watching it. While I have extreme opinions on the rights of parents, I can't imagine that many others wouldn't agree with me here.
While I have no idea why a science fiction movie would be shown in a class, if for some reason this is believed by the vast majority of people important to schooling, then it would be ridiculous for an individual parent to be able to stop the entire class from watching it. While I have extreme opinions on the rights of parents, I can't imagine that many others wouldn't agree with me here.
we'd just finished learning about egypt and it was some kind of reward for our class doing something that i do not recall - it was our special reward that we'd get to spend an afternoon watching a movie and the teacher chose stargate because it was egypt centric
the teacher could have shown the film and our classmate would have just been asked to hang out in another location and work on some project or just join another class for gym or something but decided to instead not show it at all so she wouldn't feel ostracized and left out
ironically, in the teacher's infinite wisdom of being inclusive to vanessa, in his explanation for why we weren't going to watch stargate was that because vanessa's parents were not into it
worst part was he even specified that he found it to be a bizarre decision because he personally couldn't see anything wrong with the film - it was so awkward for vanessa that she felt the need to interupt him and say "i don't get it either, my parents just don't like anything to do with aliens"
if he actually cared about protecting vanessa, then he could have just told the class that there's a change of plans and movie is canceled and nobody would have known anything other than him and vanessa, instead he decided to have a class talk about it and then forever vanessa was known as the girl with weird parents who forbid her from watching stargate with us
and that was an amazing teacher who just that moment happened to have poor judgement and didn't understand quite exactly what he was doing with his actions
just as there are bad parents, there are also stupid teachers who will deeply misread or misunderstand something and instead of deferring to the parents will make an executive decision on their behalf - which is just pure evil
Or they could have taken the risk that watching a sci-fi movie would turn Vanessa into a raging sinner, or whatever BS her parents believe would happen.
I went to an all male Catholic high school, and when I was a sophomore (15 -16 yo), our history teacher showed us Mel Brooks' "History Of The World, Part 1", a movie with lots of dirty jokes and even some nudity, and no parental permission was asked for.
private schools have different rules, but i imagine a social worker should have been checking in on you to ask if you consented to going to catholic school once per quarter otherwise you could have grown up the way you did
IMO going to a Catholic school did harm me (though that was mostly the all-male part), and they should definitely not be allowed to take the place of government mandated secular education.
fun fact for you rob, all of hitlers descendents made a pact to never get married and have children, so you can use that as your 2 truths and a lie that you share deep philosophical beliefs with hitler and his nieces and nephews
fun fact for you rob, all of hitlers descendents made a pact to never get married and have children, so you can use that as your 2 truths and a lie that you share deep philosophical beliefs with hitler and his nieces and nephews
If Hitler didn't deliberately make that decision as well, then I didn't share that with him. But if his relatives did, that was a great idea for them.
well we don't know if he was holding off for the moment since he was too busy or just never wanted kids so we can never know for certain
but eva was 33 and he was 56, so no sure thing they'd even be physically able to have had kids - possible her age is why he never married her until he knew he'd be ending it but who knows
I always figured he didn't have kids because he wasn't Aryan enough.
it's a common misnomer, the "ideal aryan" had blonde hair etc but when they went to legally classifying who was what it basically boiled down to everyone but asians, arabs, jews, blacks, finns, & hungarians were considered aryan - and yes that includes the slavs and gypsies who were themselves killed off at even higher rates than the jews
it wasn't until the invasion of poland in 1939 that they decided that slavs were no longer aryan - given that the land they desired, the lebensraum was mostly occupied by slavs, it became expedient to add them to enemies list despite that they were earlier considered to be part of team aryan
england, one of hitlers biggest enemies was in fact considered one of the purest aryan countries by the nazis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racia...
The matter of satisfactorily defining who precisely was an "Aryan"[a] remained problematic for the duration of Nazi rule.[20] In 1933, a definition of "Aryan" according to the Nazi official Albert Gorter for the Civil Service Law stated:
The Aryans (also Indo-Germans, Japhetiten) are one of the three branches of the Caucasian (white race); they are divided into the western (European), that is the German, Roman, Greek, Slav, Lett, Celt [and] Albanesen, and the eastern (Asiatic) Aryans, that is the Indian (Hindu) and Iranian (Persian, Afghan, Armenian, Georgian, Kurd). Non-Aryans are therefore: 1. the members of two other races, namely the Mongolian (yellow) and the Negroid (black) races; 2. the members of the two other branches of the Caucasian race, namely the Semites (Jews, Arabs) and Hamites (Egyptians). The Finns and the Hungarians belong to the Mongoloid race; but it is hardly the intention of the law to treat them as non-Aryans. Thus . . . the non-Jewish members of the European Volk are Aryans...[19]
a lot of wwii understanding is boiled down to whatever gets the best reaction and makes for good snippets on the history channel and hearing about "this dumbass brunette hates himself because he's not blonde" is just too good bait to ignore
the biggest misconception of that era by far is the myth that nobody knew about the holocaust, it was widely reported throughout - it just hits differently seeing it in person via allied film reels than reading about in the newspaper and it was easier to pretend we didn't quite understand what was going on rather than to acknowledge that we stood by and did nothing until the war came to us and then put an end to it incidentally
ie of the tens of thousands of bombing missions we had, there's not a single instance of any missions directed to put a damper in the holocaust, not a single train track leading to auschwitz or any other camp was targeted etc etc etc and the concept that we were only going after war targets is false, many of our missions were specifically to take out civilian targets such as firebombing residential areas
if you search any newspaper online archive, you'll find regular mentions of it taking place - just don't search "holocaust" because that term didn't emerge until post wwii
another way to think about it, how on earth would a man ever be democratically elected to power in the first place if he said that 1/3 of all germans were unpure and needed to be cleansed? it's because he didn't, blonde was the ideal but far from the requirement
I'm hoping you just haven't thought this through, because it's a pretty messed up way to look at things.
My student Johnny tells me that they are gay or trans, but please don't tell their parents because they'll be thrown out of the house. You're saying that if I decide that to protect the child, I don't tell the parents without the child's permission, I shouldn't be around children?? When you were simply talking law/policy, that made some
Once upon a time the collection of narcissist's came up with a nice little tactic. "Do you want a dead child or a trans child?". Great and totally dishonest way to shut people up as you steam roll your cult-like ideology forward. Obviously that turned out to be complete BS when you look a the actual research of suicide rates before and after transitioning. And of course that's not the only consideration
Now it looks like that same game working on the same people. Really? Explain to me like I'm 14 (old enough for "gender affirming care"). So a kid transitions at school but doesn't tell their parents because they wouldn't handle it well. According to who? How do they know the parents wouldn't handle it well? If they do actually know, then the teachers aren;t "outing them". Did you think any of this through? On top of that, just mathematically speaking, a parent not supporting their teens transition is correct more than not about their child being "trans".
This of course is just an appetizer before we reach the main course which is aspect of grooming and parental rights. Months ago we had parents protesting this and a shocking amount of creeps counter protesting it in Canada. Imagine taking to the streets your desire to have a secret life with a child behind their parents back. Creepy groomers. Stick to math, reading, writing, etc. This stuff and the desire to be involved in it is just so far out of bounds.
We have a system that will medically transition a child without parental involvement after a 15 minute dr visit. We know the astronomical suicide rates associated with trans. Oh you gonna let some derpy highschool teacher make these calls? WTF is wrong with people?
wild times
Pennsylvania Psychological Association forbids any mention on its professional listserv of Britain's Cass Review about pediatric gender medicine, points to
@WPATH
guidelines instead
This despite the fact that the Cass Review deemed that the World Professional Association for Transgender Health's guidelines on pediatric gender-transition treatment weren't scientifically rigorous.
In a recent email to over 1,000 members of the Pennsylvania branch of the American Psychological Association
@APA
, the PPA’s leadership denounced Britain’s Cass Review, which found that pediatric gender-transition treatment is based on "remarkably weak evidence," as "failing to meet the professional standard" of the PPA's adherence to "evidence-based practices." Accordingly, the PPA forbade any further mention of the Cass Review on the listserv.
The Pennsylvania Psychological Association, despite being adamant that it was being transparent with its members about the reason for forbidding discussion of the Cass Review, did not specify in its email why it believed that the review did not meet the group's evidence-based standards. Instead, in explaining its new policy, the PPA said that members of the LGBTQIA+ community on the listserv and their allies felt "targeted, harmed, and hurt" by the sharing of the Cass Review.
As an alternative, the PPA recommended that members reference WPATH's Standards of Care 8 and the APA's policy statement on gender-affirming care. This came after the Cass Review found that the WPATH's guidelines “lack developmental rigor” and that the document “overstates the strength of the evidence.”
The University of York systematic literature reviews (there were two parts) that concerned global guidelines on pediatric gender-transition treatment found that WPATH's guidelines were flawed due to engaging in what Cass subsequently characterized as "circularity" in their citations with other guidelines. This practice is more pejoratively known as "citation washing," in which the scientific buck essentially stops nowhere—there is no original study that solidly backs a particular claim.
The University of York team deemed that the APA's 2015 policy statement on gender-affirming care for children (which has since been updated) had poor rigor of development.
This move by the PPA to forbid discussion of the Cass Review directly follows the unsealing of internal WPATH communications in an Alabama court case regarding the development of the Standards of Care 8 that showed that some of WPATH’s own members knew that their guidelines were based on weak evidence. One WPATH leader stated in an email to colleagues that “we are painfully aware of the gaps in the literature and the kinds of research that are needed to support our recommendations.”
Additionally, the unsealed communications revealed that WPATH suppressed systematic literature reviews it commissioned from evidence-based medicine experts at Johns Hopkins University about the treatment of gender dysphoria when the findings did not support WPATH's goals. WPATH also capitulated to outside pressure to remove age restrictions on pediatric gender-transition treatment and surgeries from the Biden administration, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Trevor Project.
The email to PPA members was signed by Allyson L. Galloway, president, Meghan Prato, communications board chair, and Michelle Wonders, EMCC chair.
but it's totally not a cult
The wall of text pulled out of context that claims a subset of APA members in Pennsylvania have forbidden mention of a ruling because it hurts some people's feelings.
That seems odd and not scientific, but we have no source or context.
I don't see any cult-like behavior.
The claim is psychologists who practice gender medicine are making it up to make money, something more sinister, or just crazy?
The wall of text pulled out of context that claims a subset of APA members in Pennsylvania have forbidden mention of a ruling because it hurts some people's feelings.
That seems odd and not scientific, but we have no source or context.
I don't see any cult-like behavior.
The claim is psychologists who practice gender medicine are making it up to make money, something more sinister, or just crazy?
Psychologists aren't doctors and gender is something made up by society.
i stand by my lobotomy example
for a very long time loving families subjected their children to it believing it was the only solution - otherwise they'd end with a kid who was institutionalized their entire life or dead
despite the existence of plenty of evidence that they were terrible, they continued to proliferate
but of course the medical community could never make that kind of mistake again where they actively suppress any data that doesn't support their ideological beliefs
Is it okay for the trans children to come out when they become adults, or should it be a crime for adults?
you may want to pay more attention to the thread before asking more stupid rhetorical questions - that's been discussed ad nauseum and is literally the one thing everyone here agrees upon
but sure keep on buiding up strawmen, you seem to enjoy it
