Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
I'm fairly familiar with trolly's body of work. How do people get riled up over him? His responses are normally on topic and to the point. I don't read every thread in the sub forum but I really don't see the issue.
Why is this kind of thing allowed? ? Trolly makes FAR more personal attacks than does Mets, while hardly ever contributing actual content.
Could any mod actually answer my question for once? Why is this exact kind of post allowed?
The I/P thread is modded to a different standard than the rest of the forum. I think we let most things go in most threads, but when the topic repeatedly brings out problems, then we clamp down in that thread. I don't know if this is the best way, but it's how we've been operating (and to be clear, there was no discussion or directive to mod this way, it's just a description of the situation).
Not sure I understand how a conversation with assurances from Mets is going to be a useful indicator of his ability to abide by the rules in the heat of the moment.
I didn't find his last post particularly note worthy but I'm not aware of his fully body of work in that thread. Maybe he ripped off a particularly bad PM or there was a deleted post.
Maybe let that thread go wild? Maybe shut it down?
He could not, would not, stop calling people antisemites. His last post in that thread he called multiple posters antisemitic and then accused me of being antisemitic, “chasing away the Jews”, and wanting a “Jew-free zone”. Mets is aware my family is Jewish. It’s just past the point of absurdity and he will not stop.
If it were any other poster, he’d have been banned a long time ago without the option of coming back.
He should have been permabanned previously for sexually harassing another female poster not too long ago but for some reason he wasn’t. That’s not my forum though.
mets' issue is that he is not capable of dropping an argument and wont shut the **** up despite being asked/told repeatedly to do so by mods. this describes half the posters on this forum.
Bolded also clearly isn't true. Mets is the only one who refuses to let things go after multiple warnings. I've seen numerous other posters get warnings and back off. It's just more hyperbole, like that nonsense about him having to grovel.
Even if cross and mets don't like each other because of some prior beef a year ago, that doesn't begin to explain why all the other mods agree with how things were handled; he's clearly just flailing around looking for some pretext to argue about.
He could not, would not, stop calling people antisemites. His last post in that thread he called multiple posters antisemitic and then accused me of being antisemitic, “chasing away the Jews”, and wanting a “Jew-free zone”. Mets is aware my family is Jewish. It’s just past the point of absurdity and he will not stop.
If it were any other poster, he’d have been banned a long time ago without the option of coming back.
He should have been perm
About a week before you banned Mets, you posted this:
Alright. Then I will ask King Spew to take over moderating you since that is apparently what you want. You are the problem, but at least you won’t be *my* problem anymore.
What caused you to change your mind?
I was raised in a family where one of my parents was an attorney as well, DonkJr. It might be helpful to remind you that subterfuge must be subtle in order for it to work. A lot of your “work” itt recently has been, shall we say, fairly overt.
I was raised in a family where one of my parents was an attorney as well, DonkJr. It might be helpful to remind you that subterfuge must be subtle in order for it to work. A lot of your “work” itt recently has been, shall we say, fairly overt.
I would hope that my posts are seen as "overt" by other posters. Your response might be too subtle for me, as I legitimately have no idea what you are trying to say, what you are accusing me of, or if you even are accusing me of something.
I am on no higher or lower moral ground than you are. We both post here. I'm sure that we both disagree with a lot of what is posted here.
I'm sure that you agree that this is not the worst corner of the internet. And I'm sure you agree that if it were bad enough, you would leave (as I would).
bc the posting elsewhere is worse doesn't give you the cover for tolerating the way posting here is handled.
Boids,
If I must address anything, it is the fact that you are projecting your own issues.
I don’t expect many to know things that happened in the distant past in a different subforum, but you and I both know that over ten years ago you lead a similar campaign against me during a time where I was very much publicly struggling with my mental health. You found much entertainment in my suffering.
What I think you have yet to really comprehend and
Congratulations
This was one single joke made in poor taste that wouldn't be appropriate to call sexual harassment fwiw.
You are not privy to the actual complaint made by the person it was directed toward, who very much called it sexual harassment and made it clear she never wanted to post in a thread with him ever again. This is evidenced in his user notes. It is significantly worse than how you are summarizing it here. It caused real harm.
You are not privy to actual complaint made by the person it was directed toward, who very much called it sexual harassment and made it clear she never wanted to post in a thread with him ever again
I know exactly what the complaint is. And how the person takes it doesn't change the fact that it's misleading to call a single bad joke sexual harassment.
I mean say that Mets should have perma'd for a bad joke of a sexual nature directed at a female poster if you want and I'd have little to say-- but calling it sexual harassment implies something different than what actually happened.
You are not privy to the actual complaint made by the person it was directed toward, who very much called it sexual harassment and made it clear she never wanted to post in a thread with him ever again. This is evidenced in his user notes. It is significantly worse than how you are summarizing it here. It caused real harm.
I know exactly what the complaint is. And how the person takes it doesn't change the fact that it's misleading to call a single bad joke sexual harassment.
Sexual harassment depends on the person feeling harassed. Nobody gets to tell them if it’s harassment or not, they get to decide
On that note, making fun of someone for not being able to conceive is def sexual harassment of the highest degree
