$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
Trying some new lines out here since I've been playing deeper. Let me know what you guys think about this one, maybe bigger turn xr in retrospect but I still want to be able to OB river so not too big.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($47.39) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 42.9% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 11]
SB
I play in this pool a decent amount I'm definitely overfolding massively to this line since its so nutted but I think profitability will be reg dependent, imo the better the reg the more they are likely to fold to this line lol, if you have some hands on this player and they seem solid could be a printing bluff.
I play in this pool a decent amount I'm definitely overfolding massively to this line since its so nutted but I think profitability will be reg dependent, imo the better the reg the more they are likely to fold to this line lol, if you have some hands on this player and they seem solid could be a printing bluff.
Yeah I haven't played on ACR for about 3 years or so, did they do away with 10nl blitz and 50nl blitz?
Actually, from the MDA data I have, river overbets on the XC-XR-B line starts underbluffed, but the bigger the river sizings go, the more this line trends balanced. So, talking from the BTN pov, if the reg in the BB is bad and I don't expect him to be protecting his flop XC range enough, we have to defend more right? Because of the narrower turn value range. What do you guys think?
Actually, from the MDA data I have, river overbets on the XC-XR-B line starts underbluffed, but the bigger the river sizings go, the more this line trends balanced. So, talking from the BTN pov, if the reg in the BB is bad and I don't expect him to be protecting his flop XC range enough, we have to defend more right? Because of the narrower turn value range. What do you guys think?
This line is pretty interesting in general from BTN's perspective. The XC-XR line OTT is very board dependent on whether it is over or under bluffed.
Look at this XC30-XR BUvsBB SRP data.
Now go watch Jaysers video in this P+E.
The hand starts at the 37 second mark, he goes for the XC-XR and MDA show's it as overbluffed (although he admits he doesn't like his play----> and he shouldn't since it is overcalled from IP).
MDA for B30-B120F Frequencies:
Jayser Video here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fDvNsZ...
The data also show's overcard turns as overbluffed in XC-XR on low boards which I think would surprise a lot of people.
So let's say you are BTN and you B30 OTF and BB calls on 843r. Turn comes King and you decide to barrel your A5s. If you face a XR OTT----->overbluffed line.
This line is pretty interesting in general from BTN's perspective. The XC-XR line OTT is very board dependent on whether it is over or under bluffed.
Look at this XC30-XR BUvsBB SRP data.
Now go watch Jaysers video in this P+E.
The hand starts at the 37 second mark, he goes for the XC-XR and MDA show's it as overbluffed (although he admits he doesn't like his play----> and he shouldn't since it is overcalled from IP).
MDA for B30-B120F F
Interesting. tyvm ♥
Yeah I haven't played on ACR for about 3 years or so, did they do away with 10nl blitz and 50nl blitz?
I think 10b was disabled from a server updated for a bit then 25b was started as a result, after that 50b regs just merged into 25b and 50nl reg tables.
Ignition 50z is honestly so much softer than 25b its hilarious.
I feel like 200b has gotten super unprofitable recently (i remember saulo mentioned this in one of his live streams he took the money off the site and thinks the game is pretty dead), I saw Ice Bank Mice Elf (long time acr 200b grinder) playing in my 50nl reg tables and other old hands like AironVega at 100nl reg tables. Not sure if anyone is winning pre rakeback at 200b anymore lol.
I feel like 200b has gotten super unprofitable recently (i remember saulo mentioned this in one of his live streams he took the money off the site and thinks the game is pretty dead), I saw Ice Bank Mice Elf (long time acr 200b grinder) playing in my 50nl reg tables and other old hands like AironVega at 100nl reg tables. Not sure if anyone is winning pre rakeback at 200b anymore lol.
I used to have this mindset about 3-4 years ago after beating 10nl blitz. I moved up to 50nl blitz and lost for -2bb over 90k hands and thought I was just running bad.
Truth was I just wasn't that good.
If you are playing against 5 humans there are always going to be weaknesses in their play. You just have to find them.
On screen name sites you can get a lot on hands on your opponent so it's actually easier to exploit when compared to anonymous sites.
Just an example of playing 25nl blitz I saw some guy XBB IP but use B30 OTR (not a thing) with weak top pair and I called down with 2nd pair. So vs this guy in the future I'm going to start
1. attacking his flop cbets
2. Start XRing the river thinner for value
I feel like 200b has gotten super unprofitable recently (i remember saulo mentioned this in one of his live streams he took the money off the site and thinks the game is pretty dead), I saw Ice Bank Mice Elf (long time acr 200b grinder) playing in my 50nl reg tables and other old hands like AironVega at 100nl reg tables. Not sure if anyone is winning pre rakeback at 200b anymore lol.
Ice Bank yeah I only see him mostly at 100.
AirOnVega just plays every table possible 400 and under. He hasn't dropped down in stakes.
There are plenty of winners pre RB I'm sure. Biluzin and Nizza I'm pretty sure have to be and probably DesertEagle21
Still a decent amount of fish in the pool depending on the time.
But overall 200B is plenty beatable pre RB.
Ah if 200b is still beatable pre RB then thats awesome, getting to 200b one day and beating it was always one of my long term goals in poker as an US player lol. I definitely need to work on building exploits against specific regs in the blitz pool I kind of just bucket opponents into classes like fish/tight reg/good reg etc and go from there.
ice bank doesn’t play the 200nl reg tables?
Hey DDP, just curious - why did you move from Ignition to ACR?
I feel like 200b has gotten super unprofitable recently (i remember saulo mentioned this in one of his live streams he took the money off the site and thinks the game is pretty dead), I saw Ice Bank Mice Elf (long time acr 200b grinder) playing in my 50nl reg tables and other old hands like AironVega at 100nl reg tables. Not sure if anyone is winning pre rakeback at 200b anymore lol.
Ice Bank was very likely never actually beating 200b pre-rb at any point. I don't even know if he can beat 25nl reg tables the way he plays. He got trucked for 100 buy ins at 25nl reg tables a couple years back over like 50k hands. But he probably isn't trying to win pre-rb, since his whole thing is just focusing on crazy volume instead of quality of play, so that probably wasn't even much of a loss for him
He's always played all over the place though in terms of stakes for that reason, pretty much anywhere between 25-200 you could feasibly find him. But if 200b is getting tougher, even if still beatable, that's probably the first game he would quit
I started off playing 10nl blitz so I am nostalgic but the most macro reason is just boredom.
It's only fun to play against fish when the money is meaningful so if I'm playing microstakes I prefer to play against regs. Against regs you get to see a glimpse into their thought process on every showdown. And the fact that it is a sn site so you can actually build up.....wait for it......
reads!
Playing against like 80% regs (even if they aren't "good regs") is more satisfying to me and I learn a lot more. I know the common sentiment is to not play fast fold tables but that is only if you are trying to max EV. And if you are trying to max EV you would just play live poker. So my stance is if I'm going to play online, it is with the intention of getting better and enjoying the process. And playing regs is the best way to do that.
Also the software is like 10x better, you don't realize how bad iggy software is until you go somewhere else.
Curious to hear more thoughts about this.
You've talked in the past (iirc) about 10 bb/100 being attainable online if you study properly and use MDA. That winrate with average stake 2 and reasonable volume would net you 140k+ (pre RB). Obv much more possible if you can maintain the winrate at a higher average stake.
The guy you posted about earlier has made ~250k per year, but obv that comes with much more variance since he's played a fraction of the hands over that time frame and we can't know his true winrate from so few hands (esp live where stacks get deep and how you run in 400+bb pots have a massive impact on your years winning).
IME it's not very difficult to game select (on a few sites) your way to 150k per year, but not sure how easy it is live. My other issue with live is the extra time you need to invest in travel and getting into games, which brings down true hourly.
Curious to hear more thoughts about this.
You've talked in the past (iirc) about 10 bb/100 being attainable online if you study properly and use MDA. That winrate with average stake 2 and reasonable volume would net you 140k+ (pre RB). Obv much more possible if you can maintain the winrate at a higher average stake.
The guy you posted about earlier has made ~250k per year, but obv that comes with much more variance since he's played a fract
What about the bot problem on ignition/bovada?
Curious to hear more thoughts about this.
You've talked in the past (iirc) about 10 bb/100 being attainable online if you study properly and use MDA. That winrate with average stake 2 and reasonable volume would net you 140k+ (pre RB). Obv much more possible if you can maintain the winrate at a higher average stake.
The guy you posted about earlier has made ~250k per year, but obv that comes with much more variance since he's played a fract
Well the highest winrates at 200nl are something like 8bb, but that is because of selection bias.
For me it's about the amount of effort expended.
You have to be 100% locked in every session when playing online or you will see real drop offs in your winrate. If I'm playing live I could play at like 50% capacity and there would not be significant win rate drop offs because no one is putting you in hard spots. They are reacting to you, it's the opposite online.
When I play live I can easily play a 10 hour session because of this. No one is playing 10 hours a day online because there will be too much mental fatigue.
At the end of the day I really like both and think they each have their benefits but it is more realistic for most people to make more money playing live poker. I don't know the exact skill equivalence (it's a different skill set to be fair) from online to live but 1/2 live is easier than 5nl on ignition.
I also think you have to know yourself, for example, I remember Saulo saying he has zero interest in playing live poker ever. I think the more computer savvy and technical you are the less incentive you will have to play live, also the more introverted you are the less you will play live. The opposite for both those statements is also true.
Doodoo do u know where the regs have the best WR at Micro Stakes and Low stakes? Thanks
Well the highest winrates at 200nl are something like 8bb, but that is because of selection bias.
For me it's about the amount of effort expended.
You have to be 100% locked in every session when playing online or you will see real drop offs in your winrate. If I'm playing live I could play at like 50% capacity and there would not be significant win rate drop offs because no one is putting you in hard spots. They are reacting to you, it's the
Maybe I'm a one off, but I'm extremely introverted, social anxiety through the roof.
I'll take playing live over online all day.
