$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

If you play full time and can hit top 25 in Beast every week and at least break even at your stake you can make 100k+ a year just in the rewards and RB on ACR.

The most practical stake to play to accomplish this though would be 200B plus some comparable reg tables.

I think this is basically what guys like Parcker and Ice Bank are doing.

AirOnVega being the volume king.

You could go to one of those HH sites and look up all the winrates. The softest sites will always be the fenced in sites but I've heard Global poker is soft for players that don't have access to them.

I more and more believe that live poker is the way to break through magic cycle and make significant money from poker at least to build solid bankroll

If we calculate roughly NL10 reg online can make around 500$ per month, NL25 reg can make like 1300$, NL50 like 2000$ and NL100 like 3500$ maybe? which takes forever to build bankroll and in the mean time provide yourself with life expenses etc while playing in tough pools

In the other hand live NL1/3 reg with top winrate can make like 5000$ per month right? playing softest game ever not to worry about anything but live 5/5 and 5/10 can be much better if games are as soft, I'm trying now to build some bankroll for live games and mix it up with online

I think to live a good life a reg needs to crush NL200 and above online but skillset there is so damn high if you manage to beat that you can also crush high stakes than maybe but meanwhile live poker can be a best way for solid stable income what do you think?

Right before Covid I put in a decent amount of live play volume (like 500 hours) and made $28/hr. I could probably clear $40/hr now at 1/2 live which would be like $1600 a week on average.

It really depends on your situation and personality but if we are talking strictly earning power, it's a no brainer that live is more profitable.

Only thing i dislike about live poker is that people smoke at the table and i don't smoke, it's bad for health and every time i get back home my clothes needs to be washed etc otherwise its good to socialize and not sit home 9table 10h a day in tough pools

A 5/10 live reg probably makes similar hourly to a 500nl reg online, but the skill disparity is massive. It really depends what you enjoy about poker though, bc if you enjoy playing online you are more likely to put in the hours and stick with it. Personally I hate playing live at casinos and will really only play home games or a few underground games so I mainly played online. But when push comes to shove if money is the biggest factor live is a no brainer at basically any stake you play.

btw doodoo you need to clear your messges

Are 25nl blitz regs good enough to bluff this? Probably not but let me know what you guys think. His turn X back is stronger than a bet imo.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($33.10) [VPIP: 24.3% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 40.6% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 44.2% | River Agg: 41.2% | 3Bet: 11.3% | 4Bet: 25% | Cold Call: 12.1% | Hands: 686]
SB ($46.74) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 33.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 6]
HERO ($37.81) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.8% | Flop Agg: 44.2% | Turn Agg: 36.6% | River Agg: 40.5% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 70603]
HJ ($47.32) [VPIP: 10% | PFR: 5% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 21]
CO ($25.85) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 52.9% | Hands: 39]

Dealt to Hero: Q♣ A♣

HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.50, SB Raises To $1.50, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1, BTN Calls $1

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.65 effective]
Flop ($4.75): 4♦ 6♣ Q♥
SB Checks, HERO Bets $1.58 (Rem. Stack: $34.73), BTN Calls $1.58 (Rem. Stack: $30.02), SB Calls $1.58 (Rem. Stack: $43.66)

Turn ($9.49): 4♦ 6♣ Q♥ 4♣
SB Checks, HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($9.49): 4♦ 6♣ Q♥ 4♣ 7♥
SB Checks, HERO Bets $7.11 (Rem. Stack: $27.62), BTN Raises To $30.02 (allin), SB Folds, HERO Folds

Just cleared them.

An interesting question is do you think variance is higher or lower when comparing online to live. The standard deviation is much higher for live poker but your winrate is higher.

Any statistics experts ITT?

Spots like this are where MDA breaks down. You need to use common sense here. It doesn't matter that X-XF is over folded you need to look at board texture, air will probe turn so he has SDV.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($58.76) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 19.2% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 26]
SB ($79.39) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 56]
BB ($66.23) [VPIP: 12.1% | PFR: 10.6% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 66]
UTG ($25.99) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 30]
HJ ($36.96) [VPIP: 19.1% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 20.2% | Flop Agg: 10.9% | Turn Agg: 31.4% | River Agg: 22.2% | 3Bet: 6.2% | 4Bet: 13.6% | Hands: 571]
HERO ($41.88) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.8% | Flop Agg: 44.2% | Turn Agg: 36.5% | River Agg: 40.5% | 3Bet: 10.1% | Fold to 3Bet: 58% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 70712]

Dealt to Hero: A♥ 7♥

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.50, HERO Raises To $1.51, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.01

Hero SPR on Flop: [10.52 effective]
Flop ($3.37): T♦ 2♦ 9♦
HJ Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($3.37): T♦ 2♦ 9♦ 4♣
HJ Checks, HERO Checks

River ($3.37): T♦ 2♦ 9♦ 4♣ 6♣
HJ Checks, HERO Checks

I don't think most of them will bluff like this here.

Only thing that gives me a little pause is that he didn't put in any money on the turn with the fish in the hand.

But the hand still seems fairly consistent with 66/44/77 all the way through.

Probably not any 4x. If I had 76s I'd be very tempted to call over Qx.

Yeah agreed i think it's high frequency I'm beat. okay now check this hand out.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($27.43) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 3]
SB ($30) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 50% | AGG: 150% | Flop Agg: 200% | Turn Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 2]
HERO ($44.50) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.8% | Flop Agg: 44.2% | Turn Agg: 36.5% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Cold Call: 9.3% | Hands: 70745]
UTG ($77.13) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 5]
HJ ($26.68) [VPIP: 22.9% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 262]
CO ($36.19) [VPIP: 25.9% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 59]

Dealt to Hero: 6♦ A♦

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.75, HERO Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [19.5 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 6♠ 3♥ 6♥
SB Bets $0.47 (Rem. Stack: $28.78), HERO Raises To $1.69 (Rem. Stack: $42.06), SB Raises To $5.29 (Rem. Stack: $23.96), HERO Calls $3.60 (Rem. Stack: $38.46)

Turn ($12.08): 6♠ 3♥ 6♥ 9♥
SB Bets $23.96 (allin), HERO ?

I mean this hand you are in the widest formation so you just have to call because you actually beat value and have outs when behind.

Knowing who the player is would also help immensely. I don't think it will change our deci, but it will give us an idea of how often we're ahead and by how much.

I think checking turn is better here in retrospect. I'm either chopping or losing in this formation vs AA/KK if I go for 3 streets. We need to target TT-QQ and go for two. woops

Even thinking a bit more about this hand, you can probably fold vs C-B-B here. BTN has to be bluffing with A5s and T9s and that never happens and I don't even know if AK goes for value OTR.

One of the exploits I need to make in these blitz pools is to make absurdly tight folds to exploit these 5 tabling nit boys.

Preflop coolers will happen at a higher frequency on fast fold tables so we can gain an edge by making significant deviations from theory in some very tight preflop spots. I need to make a mental note of this for sure.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($101.75) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 75% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 50% | Fold to 3Bet: 100% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
HERO ($31.40) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.8% | Flop Agg: 44.1% | Turn Agg: 36.5% | River Agg: 40.5% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 70827]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 15]
UTG ($24.32) [VPIP: 41.7% | PFR: 29.2% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 24]
HJ ($27.60) [VPIP: 22.7% | PFR: 19.8% | AGG: 23.5% | Hands: 214]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 22.5% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 27.8% | Hands: 350]

Dealt to Hero: A♣ K♦

UTG Raises To $0.55, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $2, HERO Raises To $6, BB Folds, UTG Folds, BTN Calls $4

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.98 effective]
Flop ($12.80): 9♣ 4♦ K♣
HERO Bets $3.20 (Rem. Stack: $22.20), BTN Calls $3.20 (Rem. Stack: $92.55)

Turn ($19.20): 9♣ 4♦ K♣ 6♠
HERO Bets $4.80 (Rem. Stack: $17.40), BTN Calls $4.80 (Rem. Stack: $87.75)

River ($28.80): 9♣ 4♦ K♣ 6♠ 4♥
HERO Bets $17.40 (allin), BTN Calls $17.40 (Rem. Stack: $70.35)

I'm probably biased from seeing both regs and fish spaz out when they get raised in these spots on paired boards.

If anything I feel like regs spaz out way more than fish in this spot.

I've seen them show up with more than 6x and draws. I've seen over pairs, Ax with one heart.

I agree with Spyutastic. Versus an unknown I expect villain to show up with any two cards from time to time.

As Ben Sulsky said somewhere: "You always have to take spasms into account".

I folded AKs/QQ plenty of times preflop vs certain nits in this pool, I dont think we can fold AK C-B-B without a significant read though, regs do find AQ as a bluff here, if ur going exploit nit 5bets then 4betting small to 18-19bb preflop then folding to jam is pretty nice, regs will get scared of the small cold 4bet and not put in AK often and just ship AA/KK

WRT to the online vs live question. It looks like I asked the same question awhile ago.

Thread here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15/po...

tldr: live you will have bigger swings but come out profitable in a smaller amount of hands, online you will have smaller swings but can lose over a greater number of hands.

MDA show's population over folding to 4bets so AQs isn't a guaranteed call preflop. We also have to consider that AQs is an over -2bb loser OTF. Also I have the Ac.

I'm against it.

by DooDooPoker P

MDA show's population over folding to 4bets so AQs isn't a guaranteed call preflop. We also have to consider that AQs is an over -2bb loser OTF. Also I have the Ac.

oh wow thought AQdd was a mix on flop, and yeah then its alot closer than I initially thought esp you blocking AQcc/AJcc,. Ig then it comes down to whether they have more AK combos than AA/KK for the call to be profitable, hard spot

AK is the most misplayed hand in poker, the live players had it right.

We need to fold here if we are villain.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($61.18) [VPIP: 17.3% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 55]
SB ($30) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 13]
HERO ($76.94) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.7% | Hands: 70998]
UTG ($41.55) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 55]
HJ ($25.41) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 25.3% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 192]
CO ($26.80) [VPIP: 14.8% | PFR: 12.4% | AGG: 42.6% | Hands: 427]

Dealt to Hero: Q♥ Q♦

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.62, CO Raises To $2.21, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $76.94 (allin), HJ Folds, CO Calls $24.59 (allin)

Flop ($104.46): Q♣ 3♥ 2♦

Turn ($104.46): Q♣ 3♥ 2♦ 5♠

River ($104.46): Q♣ 3♥ 2♦ 5♠ 2♠

Don't get caught in the cooler mindset.

Cool turn spot that is not intuitive for BB. Donk leads on 5x/6x/7x/8x/9x OTT.

CO is double barreling a bunch of no equity hands as well which no one is doing.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($23.86) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 100% | Hands: 3]
SB ($32.63) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 120]
BB ($57.56) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 12.9% | AGG: 40% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 11.8% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 5.6% | Hands: 31]
UTG ($23.35) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 16% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 26.3% | Hands: 96]
HERO ($30.56) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.7% | Flop Agg: 44.1% | Turn Agg: 36.5% | River Agg: 40.4% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 71054]

Dealt to Hero: 4♦ 4♣

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [27.33 effective]
Flop ($1.10): A♥ 9♣ A♣
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.27 (Rem. Stack: $29.79), BB Calls $0.27 (Rem. Stack: $56.79)

Turn ($1.64): A♥ 9♣ A♣ 6♥
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($1.64): A♥ 9♣ A♣ 6♥ Q♥
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Okay last hand of the night but it illustrates a few important concepts.

1. Yes Fish 3bet less than regs but if a reg is 3betting 12% overall and a fish is 3betting 9% overall. The fish doesn't just take the top 75% of hands from the regs range. A fish 3bet range is much more scattered than a reg.

2. Yes monotone boards are underbluffed but that is only for regs, not for fish.

3. The triple barrel overbet line is overbluffed so we need to call down all our bluff catchers.

HH here.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($26.60) [VPIP: 15.4% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 22.7% | Hands: 106]
SB ($34.35) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 13]
BB ($30.37) [VPIP: 29.6% | PFR: 18.5% | AGG: 18.2% | Hands: 28]
HERO ($31.48) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 39.7% | Flop Agg: 44.1% | Turn Agg: 36.5% | River Agg: 40.4% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 71122]
HJ ($28.02) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 9]
CO ($50.72) [VPIP: 23.7% | PFR: 13.2% | AGG: 63.6% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 13.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 38]

Dealt to Hero: K♥ Q♥

HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $1.85, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [7.32 effective]
Flop ($4.05): 9♦ Q♦ 3♦
HERO Checks, CO Bets $2.02 (Rem. Stack: $46.85), HERO Calls $2.02 (Rem. Stack: $27.61)

Turn ($8.09): 9♦ Q♦ 3♦ 4♣
HERO Checks, CO Bets $6.06 (Rem. Stack: $40.79), HERO Calls $6.06 (Rem. Stack: $21.55)

River ($20.21): 9♦ Q♦ 3♦ 4♣ 5♣
HERO Checks, CO Bets $40.79 (allin), HERO Calls $21.55 (allin)

Yeah of course in live since your winrate is so much higher it's much less likely you dump even 5-6 buy ins. But since you play so much volume online, a 10k breakeven stretch will be wrapped up in a week or so, whereas live it may take months to get through it.