The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
And the top-tier American universities are brainwashing attempts so it's a good thing you didn't get in to any of them.
You magas are a weird bunch. Spending all day absolutely obsessed with trans people and jerking off to them because you are "intellectuals."
And the top-tier American universities are brainwashing attempts so it's a good thing you didn't get in to any of them.
You magas are a weird bunch. Spending all day absolutely obsessed with trans people and jerking off to them because you are "intellectuals."
I am italian and i went to a top100 in the world economic department (at the time i was there), at Bologna university.
I'd guess she has 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency or similar. In other words, they are genetically male but during primary sexual development the absence of 5α-Reductase 2 means T does not get converted to DHT (the hormone responsible for primary sexual development) and therefore develop primary female sexual organs, but have testes instead of ovaries.
However, when puberty kicks in, the testes release T and the body does respond by dev
Khelif is definitely masculine for a woman, but looks rather feminine for a man. She doesn't appear to grow facial or chest hair and doesn't have a visible adam's apple, and her build is rather slight for a male as well. She definitely doesn't look to me like someone who underwent male puberty, however many masculine characteristics she might possess. I suppose she could potentially have 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, as it can have differing presentations, but it's awfully uncommon for it to go undiagnosed so late in a person, especially when they're a high-level athlete. It tends to make itself quite apparent around the typical onset of puberty
And I never disagreed that generally speaking, men and women shouldn't compete in contact sports, but I think trying to boil the Khelif situation down to just that is awfully reductionist at best
I am italian and i went to a top100 in the world economic department (at the time i was there), at Bologna university.
It always blows my mind how many legitimately intelligent and capable people have such a difficult time not being ruled by their emotions when it comes to analyzing political or social issues
I am italian and i went to a top100 in the world economic department (at the time i was there), at Bologna university.
Wow top 100 school despite a 70% acceptance rate! Never heard of the school of bologna but that's very interesting. I bet you feel superior to "gender studies" majors at least? Again, you uneducated magas are a weird bunch
Sadly, this needs to be posted here. If you've run away from the question "what is a woman" or failed as badly as uke master. Watch please. If you're derpily bumbling about intersex, you can also watch. If you've made a total fool of yourself and bought in to gender ideology, you need to watch this
Once upon a time people weren't afraid to talk about science so it wouldn't be as easy indoctrinate rubes with insane stuff like gender ideology. Unfortunately rabid cult like creature have been radicalized to abuse and intimidate people in to silence. So here we are
Have a seat. Feel free to enjoy a snack
https://youtu.be/-4WV9xv62f4?si=fXoMI9pD...
Broken YouTube LinkAnd I never disagreed that generally speaking, men and women shouldn't compete in contact sports, but I think trying to boil the Khelif situation down to just that is awfully reductionist at best
I agree, and we mustn't forget there is a human being at the centre of this.
However, it is a scientific question. She should take a genetics and T test, and that would end the discussion about whether she is male or female.
She should take a genetics and T test, and that would end the discussion about whether she is male or female.
I have a much better idea. She should have to meet whatever requirements are currently in place. Given that she is already competing, I would expect that she already meets them, but that will be for the IOC to determine. And then if the IOC feels that athletes should meet different requirements in the future, they should put those in place for the next Olympics.
I have a much better idea. She should have to meet whatever requirements are currently in place. Given that she is already competing, I would expect that she already meets them, but that will be for the IOC to determine. And then if the IOC feels that athletes should meet different requirements in the future, they should put those in place for the next Olympics.
I refer you to my opening post on the topic:
There are two issues here, both related to fairness. First of all the Algerian athlete has done nothing wrong, and should not be subjected to any personal attacks. It's clearly the fault of the IOC, who have allowed this situation to develop.
Second, males should never be allowed to compete with females in contact sports, period. There are some areas where males and females can compete fairly with each other, but this isn't it.
IOC is ultimat
Great, then I'm not sure why you're suggesting she should take tests, unless they're required for her to participate. It shouldn't be on her to end the discussion.
bobo, if her opponents weren't forfeiting matches, refusing the shake hands, and then breaking down screaming about how unfair it was in the midst of competition then i think your statements would carry more water
the fact is, regardless of whatever process led her to compete, some of her opponents don't believe she should be competing
so it's quite clear that the current system, be it testing standards or communication with the athletes about the testing standards have some faults and needs to change
Opponents? I wasn't aware there was anyone beyond the one opponent who has since said:
Carini said she quit because of the pain from Khelif’s opening punches.
“My face and nose were hurting,” Carini said, according to the Italian sports daily Gazzetta dello Sport. “I couldn’t breathe anymore. I thought about my family, I looked at my brother in the stands and I went to my corner to retire. … I’ve never been hit with such a powerful punch.”
Carini said the move wasn't premeditated, and that she wasn’t making a political statement about Khelif, who was disqualified from last year’s world championships after failing an unspecified gender eligibility test.
Carini was apologetic for not shaking Khelif’s hand after the bout.
“It wasn’t something I intended to do,” Carini said. “Actually, I want to apologize to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke. I don’t have anything against Khelif. Actually, if I were to meet her again I would embrace her.”
Carini also commented on the gender controversy surrounding the incident, and insisted that she supports her opponent.
“All this controversy makes me sad,” Carini said. “I’m sorry for my opponent, too. … If the IOC said she can fight, I respect that decision.”
https://www.nbcchicago.com/paris-2024-su...
Whether that statement was coerced in some way, I'm not sure, because there's been a lot of disinformation around this whole thing. But I'm quite happy to let the IOC sort it out, and I'm far from convinced that anything does (or doesn't) need to change at this point. Unlike the Twitter dream team of Musk, Rowling, and those ImPAULsive brothers, I'm more inclined not to rush to judgement rather than use this in some pathetic attempt to keep those culture wars going.
her statements were very different from that immediately following the fight - feels like a pr team got ahold of her
Here's what her next opponent has said. We can about about this till the cows come home, but the women who have to fight Khelif (and are likely better informed) are clearly not happy with the situation.
Hamori wrote on social media: "In my humble opinion, I don't think it's fair that this contestant can compete in the women's category.
"But I cannot concern myself with that now. I cannot change it, it's life.
"I can promise you one thing... I will do my best to win and I will fight as long as I can!"
It appears that the opponents' main argument is that the IBA disqualified the two boxers, but there's not much information about why that happened, and the IOC stripped the IBC of their status as the governing body last year, apparently for unrelated reasons.
The Russia-led International Boxing Association (IBA), which carried out the eligibility tests last year, said Khelif and Lin "failed to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women's competition, as set and laid out in the IBA regulations".
Lin and Khelif were banned, the IBA has said, "to uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition". Lin was stripped of a bronze medal at last year's World Championships.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/artic...
That doesn't mean the IOC couldn't be wrong, nor that there couldn't be a genuine competitive issue here. But in the end, it's going to have to be the IOC that deals with this, and as I said previously, if the athletes meet the current requirements, that's where the story should end, and that's what the IOC should announce.
Fwiw the Italian press is reporting that Carini will be rewarded financially "as if it had won a medal" by the Italian government (details yet to come)
i'm cool with anyone identifying as any gender they want
this boxing stuff unsettles me though. if biological sex differences from birth don't factor, why not get rid of leagues bifurcated by sex? if bifurcation should instead be by gender, why? would it be problematic to allow a welterweight to identify as flyweight? i'm pleading -- not feigning -- ignorance here. concerned whenever my views might even tangentially connect with jd vance's
That doesn't mean the IOC couldn't be wrong, nor that there couldn't be a genuine competitive issue here. But in the end, it's going to have to be the IOC that deals with this, and as I said previously, if the athletes meet the current requirements, that's where the story should end, and that's what the IOC should announce.
They should answer all the questions in detail at the very least. Clarify about the chromosomes, testosterone levels, genitalia, gamete production and so on, and give extensive details about what EXACTLY are the requirements, what EXACTLY they test for, and how procedurally they reached those conclusions (who and when voted for those to be the procedures)
Yo these people don't owe you clowns their medical records
Its back to being exhausting again. You guys learn nothing, just repeat the same stupid **** over and over despite getting smashed over the head repeatedly.
Funny that one of major argument against the whole gender topic from the right is usually :
Born as female or male, you don't get to chose later what you want.
But here we have a boxer born as female and where all their talking points have gone?
Scratching head.
Funny that one of major argument against the whole gender topic from the right is usually :
Born as female or male, you don't get to chose later what you want.
But here we have a boxer born as female and where all their talking points have gone?
Scratching head.
I criticize gender affirmation mainly from the left — it’s not a solution for despair + suicidal ideation.
IDGAF about this boxing situation.
