Vice-President Kamala Harris

I do appreciate it is all the non Americans that are saying he doesn't have any charisma. First off, he is almost in his 80s now so he isn't who he was. But 30-40 years ago long before he re-invented himself as a right wing cult figure; he was this larger than life NY business/socialite who cultivated his public persona very well and was very well regarded by the entire American public (even if he was a scumbag behind the scenes).

--My understanding is the artist who made this video regretted it when Trump became a right wing villain and refused to let Trump use the video to promote himself; but when it happened this was the kind of cultural cache Trump had; that he leveraged into becoming a right wing cult figure. The right wing media did not make him, nor do they have the reach to "make" people on a national stage. Although Elon buying Twitter have given them more of a national reach than they had before.

Dunyain is correct about this. Donald Trump was a huge celebrity. Me and my friends have occasionally discussed his personal issues since the day I was born, in the late 80’s. No one knew he held the political opinions he does until 2015. Youre talking about a guy in the public eye who was always “flashy” and always selling things as an A list celebrity, not some random who had one show. He was someone all Americans had at least heard of and more famous than all politicians except sitting us presidents. Still to this day he gets a pass on many things as a celebrity and there is an element of celebrity worship in his campaigns.

This is also mostly correct. The media in this country is far from liberal but rather sensationalist; often to the detriment of those with actual well thought out opinions.

New Yorkers have known Trump as a gaudy clown for decades.

A vote for Trump in 2024 is far more evil than a vote for Trump in 2016. We’ve seen who is; a rapist as confirmed in civil court who sexualizes children and gives support to dictators.

I think Trump obviously has charisma when you consider his audience. He may not be getting through to you, but you are not his intended audience.

I dont know if you read my posts , but me and dunyain were arguing that Trump has a lot of charisma.

Yeah Venezuela is so much better politically…
I’ll take blm over January 6 any day .

Yeah. There were 10s of thousands of blm protests and no uptick in violence associated with degrees of sympathy to the cause. Jan 6 was 1 rally with a 100% violence rate and 25% of the people that attended committed felonies. Hell in the UK even Tories are criticizing the far right for comparing violent riots to blm protests.

I know. I wasn't responding to you, but to the general audience that mostly believes the opposite.

As an aside, like 15 years ago or so, I remember mentioning to somebody that while he was a shitty president, W. Bush was a charismatic person. The person I was speaking to lost their minds and of course gave their lecture regarding why he was a bad man.

It is difficult to put aside your hatred of a person and look at things objectively. That Trump or Bush are charismatic should not be that controversial, but it can be if you hold the position that your sworn enemy can have no positive qualities.

I don’t know if charsmatic is the right word for W. He was funny though, if often unintentionally.

Donald Trump prior to Obama becoming President was a Democrat who believed in Abortions. He switched not because of politics but because he wanted to be famous. And then when Obama trashed him at the Press Dinner comedy thing he made it his mission to become President and undo every single thing that Obama had done. In the cases where he couldn't, he would help pass some kind of enhancement and then claim the thing as his own.

A vote for Trump is more about how horrific the Democratic candidate is. If given only two awful choices I can't criticize a person who votes for one or the other. Choose your poison.

I don't vote anymore. If the Democrats just chilled out on the creepy stuff they wouldn't be facing a cult like following going against them.

I assure you there is nothing being forced up my ass. I'm exit only.

The rape charges against Biden were very credible.

Biden sexualizes children at least as much as Trump, probably more.

Giving support to dictators? That's every U.S. president.

But you are talking about evil votes. Sitting there and listening to both sides support an ethnic genocide and voting for any of them has to be one of the most evil votes possible. You'd have to get into explicit authoritarians to see more evil support. I don't believe in demons, that they can be somehow summoned by mass acts of evil. I'm a pretty rational person, atheist etc.

But I'm a little scared this time around, not going to lie. The most evil voting ever is about to happen and I just feel, without any evidentiary support, that that won't be consequence free.

Kamala hasn't earned a single vote. She is being thrust into this position by the elites. She has no qualifications. She wasn't good enough to make the debate stage last time she ran.

Here is a women whom I would vote for. This lady is fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM1tcl8_...

True. Good post.

Comparing the charisma of Trump and Bush is like comparing apples and oranges. Bush was never a charasmatic orator but he had a warmth and likeability to him. It’s a different era; Bush ran on the content of his character and bringing honesty back to the white house. Trump was more like Reagan in that he was a celebrity who things just bounce off of him. 99.9% of politicians would have had their career halted for any number of things from the long list of scandals Trump has had. Not that it’s fair to compare Reagan to Trump.

There is a lot of Truth here but this isnt quite right. As Ive said, Trump was already famous. Everyone knew who he was. When rap artists said things like “Im on my Donald Trump shit” in general everyone knew what they meant. Saying he switched parties to be famous is like saying Britney wrote her new memior to get famous. She is already famous so suggesting the reason she wrote it was to get famous doesnt stand to reason.

He clearly had a beef witn the Obama administration but during the campaign it became clear he was very adept at campaigning in a way that suggests he had an agenda beyond just Obama. Also, he had talked about running for President for years on shows like Oprah long before he would have even heard of Obama.

The motivating factor clearly wasnt fame or Obama, although he clearly strongly disliked the Obama administration.

Oh no! Biden isn’t running!

Yes we know u think a woman is worst then a convict criminal and sexual abuser .
Please enlighten us more about morality …

The principle to think Biden , Hillary and now Harris are always worst or equally worst then trump is just out of this world ….

Stop lying. You've been MAGA slurping here for at least a month. Nobody is buying this bOtH sIdEs bullshit. Can't eat your paint chips and have them too.

Glad you can see it's a cult. Shame you can't see you're a member.

I thought you were talking about the evilness of votes. Biden was running, had run in the past, and all I said about him, which is what you were saying about Trump (and I agree about Trump), was also true about Biden. So voting for Biden was evil - can we agree?

Anyone voting for either major party is doing something evil. That's probably most people here. You are all doing evil because you think there will be no consequences. You think climate change isn't real. You think nuclear war is impossible because you've never seen it. You believe in these threats the way someone about to have a one night stand believes that sinners go to Hell, not in the way that someone believes a hot stove will burn them if they touch the heating element directly. But which is the better way to think about it? Hint: it's the one with real consequences.

You all think, somehow, that you can support these evil bastards and no harm will befall you as a consequence. Maybe your kids will suffer but so what? You will be gone and the little vanity projects will be worthless to you by then. You think the evil of the oligarchs serves you in some way, in some convoluted trickle down process you haven't really mapped out but you know it is working because you have a minivan, a pickup, and a few Sea-Doos. Life is good until it isn't.

Is/was Trump charismatic, really? I think Bush was, in a pally goofball way. Trump has always come across as rather cold and slimy to me. I’ve never seen him talk where it didn’t seem like he had an angle and an inauthenticity about him that is incompatible with charisma. He’s confident, which I think can be mistaken for charisma. Just being a public figure lends you something as well. If you took away his money and lifestyle, is he actually interesting or someone you’d want to stand next to at a party? I don’t think so. I looked at this clip from an appearance of his on Letterman in the 80s, as I think that would be one of the best opportunities for charisma to show itself and I’m not seeing anything remarkable, personally. To be fair to him though, I think he has developed a bit more recently as he’s let the mask slip.