Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
There were large transport planes which had to turn around when the paratroops couldn't take the airports. Those fights were also not guaranteed Ukrainian wins, they could have gone either way.
Putin did seem to think it was going to be "easy", but he thought that partly because he was sending a lot of military and he had made extensive preparations for it.
There were large transport planes which had to turn around when the paratroops couldn't take the airports. Those fights were also not guaranteed Ukrainian wins, they could have gone either way.
Putin did seem to think it was going to be "easy", but he thought that partly because he was sending a lot of military and he had made extensive preparations for it.
what's your take on why the convoy got stalled?
There's only a few roads from Belarus to Kyiv and they are very narrow. Ukraine raised the Kyiv reservoir which flooded 3 rivers that made a lot of the paths into Ukraine unusable. Ukrainians were well trained with javelins, and managed to keep taking out the front vehicles of the convoy, while also installing roadblocks. Russia's saboteurs abandoned their plans when they realized Ukraine was going to fight.
I forgot the other main example: "We don't know that Russia would invade again, so Ukraine is warmongering by not agreeing to capitulate to Russia, give up their military and agree that Russia has veto rights of other countries supplying aid to Ukraine."
I did not say that you were the one questioning Russia's desire to take Kyiv. What I am saying is that there's a history ITT, and you are part of it, of casting doubt on things so close to f
I fail to see how getting in artillery range of karkiv (a city that as already been pummeled into the ground and I assume is barely habitable since it changed hands 3 times during the conflict) is even a high military objective at this point. sounds like a nice side quest for sure. Plz explain to me why this would be a strategical advantage? (I assume because they could shoot some roads or rails if they even still exist).
This is a weird post to make the only thing I have ever actually disagreed with you in this thread is your over simplification of war crimes and your odds of Ukraine prevailing . I am super in the middle and I don't need to call out the victors on their bullshit because you got that covered since you post here daily your just as biased as him in the other direction. I have not read a single thing about the war since this offense started but even months ago I knew it was reported as a likely diversionary/attrition attack with too few troops to actually achieve anything .
However I agree it is up to Ukraine to decide when to end it. even if I think they missed their best most favorable terms and I hope they prevail but maybe not at all cost
There's nothing weird about that post actually. My views of war crimes being war crimes (there are now ICC arrest warrants for exactly what we were talking about) is not an oversimplification. What is weird is your "middle" views that are consistently far right, which has been pointed out in two threads now. I am not just as biased as Victor but in the other direction, and post count has nothing to do with bias.
It is pretty clear that you have not read up on the war since the offense started, I suggest fixing that before you continue. You might want to start with Kharkiv's population. The rest of your questions have been answered numerous times ITT, feel free to google them as well, it is readily available information.
I fail to see how getting in artillery range of karkiv (a city that as already been pummeled into the ground and I assume is barely habitable since it changed hands 3 times during the conflict) is even a high military objective at this point. sounds like a nice side quest for sure. Plz explain to me why this would be a strategical advantage? (I assume because they could shoot some roads or rails if they even still exist).
This is a weird p
I want this conflict to end as quickly as possible. thats by far the minority opinion tho. Western supporters want it to continue until Russia is destroys. and a lot of the Russian nationalists and far right Westerners want this war to continue until Ukraine is destroyed.
anyway, you are making a lot of the same points that I make so you might want to be careful bc that can be dangerous.
and the horseshoe is complete
It's not dangerous at all, you've never banned for your views.
brother, you got me banned for 30 days bc I would not accept your rediculous assertion that I actually secretly support Putin.
False.
The western far right wants to stop spending money for Ukraine, and if they were to be able to choose how it ends, they would like Ukraine to hang Zelensky and everyone connected to him and become Belarus 2.0, not for it to be destroyed
In other words, exactly what the far left wants. Horseshoe.
A poor take. Russia is the driver of this conflict.
Ukraine fights hard and a Russian strategic is unlikely for now, but Ukraine does not pose an existential threat to Russia nor to the Russian regime - thus Russia can rather safely end the conflict whenever they want.
However, Russia through its imperialism and irredentism very much represents an existential threat to Ukraine, so Ukraine can not safely end the conflict whenever they want.
There is also of course the rather obvious point that Russia is the invader and Ukraine as a country did not represent a threat to even a square inch of Russian territory before the conflict, so we know the war is a Russian choice.
I want this conflict to end as quickly as possible. thats by far the minority opinion tho. Western supporters want it to continue until Russia is destroys.
I don't know anyone other than Putin who wants this war to continue. The "Western supporters" would be very happy with Russia withdrawing its invasion and ending the war right now without another person injured or killed.
the thing they offered in April of 2022?
It's incredibly dangerous rhetoric. The idea that Ukraine and its supporters are "warmongering" because they are not willing to end the conflict as soon as possible even if that means setting up the perfect scenario for Russia to invade again on more favorable ground is incredibly short sighted and sets a dangerous precedent for any future invaders. Not even Putin pretends this war is anything but an imperial conquest anymore, yet people still repeat his old, debunked propaganda and continually seek to blame Ukraine for being invaded. It's not like this is the only country threatening such actions either, we are likely to see more in the near future, and especially if support for Ukraine dies out.
I have broken this down for you multiple times now. You even posted an article which broke it down for you. Peace was not offered in April 2022. Complete capitulation and the choice between becoming a puppet state or setting the groundwork so that Ukraine could not defend itself inevitably lead to either slavery or another invasion.
Nor should Ukraine.
one of the more ludicrous comparisons possible. if Israel would retreat to the 67 borders and end the blockade then it would be more analogous. you know, thing that Hamas has offered many times.
And if Russia retreated to the 1991 borders... The fact you not only can't see how directly comparable these two things are and even go so far as to call it "ludicrous" shows you are completely lost.
I don't know anyone other than Putin who wants this war to continue. The "Western supporters" would be very happy with Russia withdrawing its invasion and ending the war right now without another person injured or killed.
Putin would clearly prefer to be able to end it now, if he can keep all the territories and sanctions are softened (ie if the west capitulates).
Which is plausibly what would happen if Trump wins.
Question is what would happen with Harris president but a republican senate with no intention to compromise with her.
False. This was explained to you in depth. You even posted an article which explains that that is false.
You really don't even need to have it spelled out in an article though, just use common sense.
its not false. that was literally their offer.
Let's see. What could possibly have happened in April 2022 that could have soured the negotiation table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_mass...
I guess we will never know, it must all be a conspiracy.
Let's see. What could possibly have happened in April 2022 that could have soured the negotiation table.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_mass...
I guess we will never know, it must all be a conspiracy.
you know what Israel calls this?
a slow day
