[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still think that AQ did 9/11 you should be in adult day care.
In November 2008, NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.[80] This followed their August 21, 2008 draft report which included a period for public comments.[86] In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[128] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers, nor did the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs), but the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near Column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, Column 79 soon buckled – pulling the East penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the entire building above to fall downward as a single unit. From collapse timing measurements taken from a video of the north face of the building, NIST observed that the building's exterior facade fell at free fall acceleration through a distance of approximately 8 stories (32 meters, or 105 feet), noting "the collapse time was approximately 40 percent longer than that of free fall for the first 18 stories of descent."[129] The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.[80]
And these fires chez, did they start themselves?
About one third of the fuel was consumed in the initial impact and resulting fireball.[k][41][42] Some fuel from the impact traveled down at least one elevator shaft and exploded on the 78th floor of the North Tower, as well as in the main lobby.[43] The towers' light construction and hollowness allowed the jet fuel to penetrate far inside them, igniting many large fires simultaneously over a wide area of the impacted floors. The fuel burned for at most a few minutes, but the buildings' contents burned over the next hour or hour and a half.[44]
Similar for other tower [same link]
It's just bad luck all that fuel happened to be there.
In other news, the jumpers on 9/11 didn't die from the fall, they died from the landing.
No, they're not remotely stupid
The point is that even under the official theory, the buildings were engineered to withstand the impact of planes. This is what is being argued about and what brought me into this discussion.
If there was some fault with the engineering then it was with the fire suppression system not the structural integrity of the buildings-- which again is the relevant point.
The point is that even under the official theory, the buildings were engineered to withstand the impact of planes. This is what is being argued about and what brought me into this discussion.
If there was some fault with the engineering then it was with the fire suppression system not the structural integrity of the buildings-- which again is the relevant point.
There is quite a variance in what qualifies as a plane but you keep ignoring your burden to back up your bullshit claim.
There is quite a variance in what qualifies as a plane but you keep ignoring your burden to back up your bullshit claim.
I'm working. I use 2p2 as a distraction from work not because I'm trying to do research.
However, there is an interview out there with one of the architects (pre 9/11) specifically stating that the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a plane. Would you like to bet me on my ability to find it?
I'm working. I use 2p2 as a distraction from work not because I'm trying to do research.
However, there is an interview out there with one of the designers specifically stating that the planes were designed to withstand the impact of a plane. Would you like to bet me on my ability to find it?
No, but I would like to bet on your ability to distinguish between "withstand the impact of a small private plane" to "withstand the impact of a commercial airliner", which is the question I originally asked you. You are fully aware of this and the fact you think you are going to somehow distract everyone into forgetting the claim you were asked to prove is pretty laughable.
Can you withstand a punch? What about from Mike Tyson?
No, but I would like to bet on your ability to distinguish between "withstand the impact of a small private plane" to "withstand the impact of a commercial airliner", which is the question I originally asked you. You are fully aware of this and the fact you think you are going to somehow distract everyone into forgetting the claim you were asked to prove is pretty laughable.
Can you withstand a punch? What about from Mike Tyson?
It's like you've ignored everything that has been posted
You guys are dumb
This took me about 20 seconds to find.
Thanks! Jesus, that was like pulling teeth.
You made a claim which didn't ring true. Other posters are well within their rights to ask you to provide a source for it. That's pretty standard round here.
But then when I acted all super confident on it and offered to bet people, in order to avoid looking like a dumbass it's probably best to start considering that maybe my claim was actually true.
But then when I acted all super confident on it and offered to bet people, in order to avoid looking like a dumbass it's probably best to start considering that maybe my claim was actually true.
Or you could just not be a dick and post the ****ing video when asked. As you said, took you 20 seconds.
