The costs of trans visibility

Sorry, I forgot one. I’m pretty sure I remember someone post earlier in the thread that there is probably a gene. Is the psychiatrist or gender specialist sitting across from patients and soul reading to determine the valid trans person? “Yep, this one probably has the gene.” Is that how it works?

I’m just trying to stay educated on this topic. Can someone help me out? Thanks.

Of course it’s not. That would disrupt your echo chamber. You are extremely accepting of people….as long as they agree with you.

Looks like a very racist statement, because it excludes psychiatrists and psychologists outside your country, as if the professional opinions of experts in other countries mattered less or didn't matter at all.

Maybe it's just an oversight on your part and you forgot psychiatrists exist in China, India, Indonesia, Congo, Japan and so on as well? do you think your statement applies worldwide?

The WHO stopped considering being trans a mental illness in 2019, which means that up to that point the objective medical consensus worldwide, was that being trans was a mental illness.

According to wikipedia the ICD - 11 (where the change in how to consider transness happened) was being used completly or in part in 64 countries in 2023.

That means that one year ago 2/3 of world countries disregard what you think is worldwide medical consensus.

Are you willing to admit that there actually is a "large community of psychiatrists or psychologists who think that being trans is a mental illness", around the world, contra your statement?

Peru decided in june 2024 to stop considering being trans an inherent mental illness, as a political decision by the health minister, and the local backlash was huge (by medical professionals as well). Doesn't mean the professionals opposing that decision were right, but DENYING THEY EXIST in large number (proportional to the country size and so on) is clearly either ignorant or very disingenous.

I strongly advise against making claims that apply worldwide based on your country tendencies and cultural attitudes. And it would be nice in general if people on the left didn't invent non-existing overwhelming consensus around their preferred policies in general.

This is just another topic on which you are ill-informed yet choose to post as though you're confident other people are wrong.
ICD-10 was released in 1994 and was just updated to ICD-11 in 2022 (though the moving of the chapter on transgender codes was announced in 2019). This doesn't mean that from 1994 until 2019 all those doctors at the WHO and around the world considered transgender a mental illness and then one day changed. It means that consensus was changing over years and finally the bureaucratic process caught up.

It seems you don't get how an audience can set the context for a discussion. You are also making up that there isn't a worldwide consensus by just naming countries and guessing what people there might think. The WHO may be our best insight into this and it supports what I said.

To say there is a worldwide consensus is simply false. There is a worldwide debate. This is proven by many countries walking back policies regarding giving kids puberty blockers and hormones. This is evidence that there is NOT worldwide agreement.

Dehumanizing people and minimizing mental health issues is super unbecoming.

The changing policies in these countries are not because they consider being transgender to be a mental illness in and of itself. Therefore, what you were pointing to is not evidence of debate around the question being discussed in these posts.

It was 16 until at least 2023. It might be 14 now, but I can't find where it explicitly says.

Either way, the scientific consensus is that puberty blockers have no permanent side affect if started after puberty has started.

Thats not a "woke marxist consensus" mind you

Again making up "scientific consensus", weird given many countries (including some of the most civilized in the world, by human development index ranking) stopped giving puberty blockers to minors who feel they are of the opposite sex exactly because we at a very minimum don't have enough information to claim they are as safe as you dishonestly are claiming here.

Consensus doesn't mean "simple majority" (and there isn't even that worldwide for puberty blockers long term effects on minors that think they are of the opposite sex). Consensus means *overwhelming majority*, like every single public health body of first world countries adamantily agreeing, at a very minimum. Consensus as in "for the time being we have very little doubts about the matter and only extraordinary new information could change our minds". There is no ****ing consensus on your claim.

And btw we were talking HORMONES, which do sterilize permanently, uncontroversially. Don't jump around with the thresholds. HRT is hormones, not blockers

I see basic and obvious questions are being avoided by team gender ideology. Anyone? I guess language policing has captured your attention

Speaking of non binary. What is going on here?

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1821645...

You have access to Google. Is there something you're confused about? If there's a point you'd like to make, you can make the point without playing games by first asking for definitions that are easy to look up.

Everything is weaponized against trans people if we were to believe you. Must be exhausting being you.

He is explicitly asking for an objective definition of the term "non binary", which you can't provide because there is none.

Defined as in something measurable, something that would work in court in case of contracts, not something entirely up to self identification.

Say I write a trust that won't release money to my heirs in case they ever become "non binary", how would that be enforced and why?

Indeed. I mean, we have a psychiatrist in this thread who claims to be “very educated” on this topic. Yet, so many basic questions are being left unanswered.

In detail, how is it differentiated between who is actually trans and who isn’t? In detail, what does non binary mean?

Yes, I’ve come across as hostile toward the pro trans crowd regarding minors. That’s because I am. Still, I have a long posting history on this forum which should show that I’m open minded and care about the truth first and foremost. Does the pro trans crowd care more about the truth or more about gender affirmation?

This one is easy but I'd like for a pro trans person to explain to us how it's about truth, not about making men who pretend to be women feel good.

It's clearly not the latter especially when we are talking minors, not sure you have checked but it's much more about girls thinking they are boys than viceversa, among minors.

I was going with the theme of this thread which was created in honor of Dylan Mulvaney, who is in fact a man pretending to be a woman.

He very much did not "explicitly" add these qualifiers to the request for a definition. I'm not sure why you feel the need to embellish here. Regardless, do you not have Google in Italy? We didn't create the term "non-binary" in this forum. What is the point of this exercise to define basic terms?

You don't have to personally accept that people can actually be trans, but to continue posting in this thread, you'll have to not say that trans people are just pretending. It's unkind to the trans community and is therefore not acceptable here.

Its probably more exhausting being a trans person

because people like you apparently ahve to be told

Let me explain the situation to the clowns coming into an 8000 post thread demanding answers

You aren't unique or special

We are all exhausted from running around trying to appease people who ignore, deflect, and insult

Studies get posted, studies get ignored. Opinions get posted, opinions get internalized

Its just this repeated cycle where nothing gets accomplished

Maybe do some of your own work? Present something with substance and data backing your claim. Stop asking stupid ****ing questions that have been answered 1000 times

This seems undeniable. I can't imagine having to constantly try and convince people that I really am what I say I am.

lol

Why is the current trans community the sole consideration? Why are you not considering all the future tomboys and effeminate young males who are going to get caught up in this gender affirmation system that’s been created?

The definition of non binary in Italian, which btw is given by trans activist, isn't an agreed upon definition used by the whole population, uses gender, it's a circular definition lacking any actual meaning.

And we have non binario for a MAN and non binaria for a WOMAN if that makes sense for you (I think it's the same in Spanish).

I am not sure you understand the idea that not every place in the west is a radical leftist stronghold and that in many/maybe most places we completely disawoe this whole made up theory.

And that most over60, including leftist ones, I clouding those that pay liolp service to the church of gender, don't actually have a clue what you guys are talking about (other than the "simple" man who lives as a woman and viceversa)

Which isn't about denying the existence of trans people, people who structurally identify with the OPPOSITE SEX for years after puberty and so on.

Just as a reminder, there is:

1) the claim that trans exist, which I don't personally deny

2) the claim that genders exist separate from biological sex , which I deny in part and can agree with in part depending on specific semantics

3) the idea that genders above and beyond the "mental replica" of the two biological sexes exist, which I completely deny as anything that can't be objectively described and identify does not exist (same as the soul)
* We are here with "the **** actually is a non binary?*

4) the idea that you can change gender multiple times in your life across a "spectrum", which I completely deny

You basically make hyper strict rules (threatening a ban for people who don't use semantics the way you want them to) without providing the detailed semantic rules, expecting we went to gender catechism and learnt all the subtleties of a secular theology that is made up from the ground and abused on non senses, and which is still being made up at the moment, because they are actually changing definitions while we speak