The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I’m also in favor of mercy and forgiveness for most gender specialists if that will put a stop to transitioning minors.
I also think English native speakers don't understand what it feels like to use they for people who don't have singular they in their language
Also on this, you are acting like this is the only word ever to not have a one-to-one translation between languages. I mean, isn't it expected that a different language would be ... different?
Not when I have to subsidize it in any way no, and adult trans people want public healthcare and/or legal mandates for private insurances to cover their lifestyle choices (which increase prices for everyone else).
So given i am asked to pay I can decide who is worthy of my subsidy and who isn't
Also on this, you are acting like this is the only word ever to not have a one-to-one translation between languages. I mean, isn't it expected that a different language would be ... different?
When it's supposedly a legal and scientific matter actually no.
Inflation doesn't mean different things in Italian.
I'm not aware of any evidence that this is an issue. I'd certainly be interested in learning more if you have any references.
It's not like this is the very beginning of this discussion in this forum, let alone this thread. We've already had plenty of discussion on this and trials of having less strict rules. Even now, there's lots of anti-trans talk in this thread (though I haven't banned nor infracted anyone for this in the current discuss
We are ALREADY self censoring in absurd ways, maybe that's the unclear part to you. We would not talk like this among us. We do not talk like this in real life or on twitter among normal (ie non leftist) people.
We are saying less than 1% of what we would say among normal people.
Not when I have to subsidize it in any way no, and adult trans people want public healthcare and/or legal mandates for private insurances to cover their lifestyle choices (which increase prices for everyone else).
So given i am asked to pay I can decide who is worthy of my subsidy and who isn't
Agreed.
Tomboys and effeminate boys are not more likely to identify as trans now than they were 20 years ago? Is that what you are claiming?
I genuinely would like this addressed. If this is being claimed, I find it as dishonest as the claim that social influence has zero affect on trans identification.
We are ALREADY self censoring in absurd ways, maybe that's the unclear part to you. We would not talk like this among us. We do not talk like this in real life or on twitter among normal (ie non leftist) people.
We are saying less than 1% of what we would say among normal people.
Sounds like you should be having circle jerk discussions on twitter where you can feel safe saying that 99% with zero pushback or challenge
I genuinely would like this addressed. If this is being claimed, I find it as dishonest as the claim that social influence has zero affect on trans identification.
They admitted the data is clear about infinitely more people identifying as trans these days, iirc they fully deny even a single one of them has been convinced to self identify as trans while not being so by the incessant propaganda on the topic by radical leftist, they think every single one of them no exception would have identify as trans in the far past as well if the social costs to do so were as today.
That's the official forum line and iirc countering it too much leads to bans
They know that admitting that even a few people being convinced to self identify as trans to the point the take hormones and so sterilize themselves, without actually being trans, would be seen as so horrific as to destroy their chances to ever get approval for gender theory society-wide, so they have to fully deny that can even happen.
This usually means trollson coming in, with cordie and others, claiming conversion therapy for homosexuality doesn't work and so it's impossible anyone can ever convince anyone else to identify as trans if he isn't actually trans.
I genuinely would like this addressed. If this is being claimed, I find it as dishonest as the claim that social influence has zero affect on trans identification.
People are more likely to identify as trans than ever, yes. People are more likely to identify as gay and lesbian now too.
The biggest area of growth between millennials and gen z is gay identification.
Do you think that maybe this is because its more acceptable to be gay or is your hypothesis that sucking dick is just that freakin cool?
They admitted the data is clear about infinitely more people identifying as trans these days, iirc they fully deny even a single one of them has been convinced to self identify as trans while not being so by the incessant propaganda on the topic by radical leftist, they think every single one of them no exception would have identify as trans in the far past as well if the social costs to do so were as today.
That's the official forum line an
I figured. So, it’s fine that all the tomboys and effeminate boys of the future transition because the ones from the past were actually oppressed trans. I just want that on the record.
They admitted the data is clear about infinitely more people identifying as trans these days, iirc they fully deny even a single one of them has been convinced to self identify as trans while not being so by the incessant propaganda on the topic by radical leftist, they think every single one of them no exception would have identify as trans in the far past as well if the social costs to do so were as today.
That's the official forum line an
You guys obsess with transism but gay, lesbian, and bisexual indentities are seeing explosive growth that make transism look like a foot note.
What about having fully transparent conversations without censorship among people who disagree? Like normal people do?
I remember talking about how I can empathies with kids who feel a mental trauma around acceptance and their place in the world and you said something to the affect of "your brain is deficient"
Nobody should give you the benefit of the doubt and you are fully incapable of empathizing with an individual you disagree with.
It's not like this is the very beginning of this discussion in this forum, let alone this thread. We've already had plenty of discussion on this and trials of having less strict rules. Even now, there's lots of anti-trans talk in this thread (though I haven't banned nor infracted anyone for this in the current discussion). You're in here pretending that I am strictly banning anyone who even accidentally crosses a line, when in reality you a
This isn't a new conversation. There is no reason to believe any of you are capable of proceeding with good faith.
You guys obsess with transism but gay, lesbian, and bisexual indentities are seeing explosive growth that make transism look like a foot note.
We obsess with attempts to reduce freedom, afaik LGB don't ask for money nor for people to change the meaning of words under legal threats nor ask to sterilize or mutilate minors, nor ask us to refute biology and so on
I'm not claiming that. I said I don't know. Do you have evidence that it's actually one way or the other?
You don’t know if the more masculine girls and the more effeminate boys are trans identifying more now than they were 20 years ago. Therefore, you’re not concerned about the tomboys and effeminate boys of the future. Got it.
You don’t know if the more masculine girls and the more effeminate boys are trans identifying more now than they were 20 years ago. Therefore, you’re not concerned about the tomboys and effeminate boys of the future. Got it.
You write this as if you know that these individuals are identifying as trans more now than they did before (including those who were kids in the past but have now come out as trans as adults). I get that you believe this to be true, but I'm wondering if you have some specific reason or data for this belief? I haven't personally seen data either way to influence my beliefs.
You write this as if you know that these individuals are identifying as trans more now than they did before (including those who were kids in the past but have now come out as trans as adults). I get that you believe this to be true, but I'm wondering if you have some specific reason or data for this belief? I haven't personally seen data either way to influence my beliefs.
The geographical distribution of trans self identification among minors in the USA tracks basically the portion of radical leftism present in teachers of that state
The geographical distribution of trans self identification among minors in the USA tracks basically the portion of radical leftism present in teachers of that state
Not only is the non-sequitur to my post, you seem to be implying that teachers are grooming kids to be trans. Can you provide any other evidence (because the association you are claiming could easily be explained by the variable of degree of acceptance of trans people in each region) or a single story of this actually occurring? I hear the fear of this frequently but never with any support that it's happening.
