Vice-President Kamala Harris
Probably requires her own thread at this moment, lock/delete etc if someone else wins the nom
All I can say after reading the last few pages is that conservative eco-system on social media must truly be a sad place.
Can't help but think that this is a genius method for fading a primary.
Not saying this was all by design to make Kamala a tapped nominee instead of an elected one, because Dems aren't that smart, but Dems really, really hate primaries, and didn't have to have one. That's a win right there.
This guy is a true sicko, he wanted to put tampons in the boys bathrooms in schools, and he let his city burn during the riots. He also lied about "carrying weapons" at war and his rank in the military. Walz won't make it to the convention, he's on thin ice rn and will be replaced hopefully sooner rather than later (whatever the MSM says is the reason for his replacement will be a lie as usual). Things are gonna get interesting in the comin
Trump literally commended Walz’s handling of the BLM protests in Minnesota lol
“What they did in Minneapolis was incredible,” Trump, then president, said in a White House phone call with Walz and other state leaders on 1 June 2020. “They went in and dominated, and it happened immediately.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/arti...
Also no one is even claiming that he didn’t serve as the rank he claimed he did, or was even that rank right before retiring, what they are saying is that he didn’t retire as that rank. Which is such a “well ACKSHUALLY” point that it just makes you look petty and partisan.
His record on veterans issues makes him a huge W for veterans and by extension people in active duty. He was also a contemporaneous critic of the Iraq war which makes him a uniquely strong anti-war candidate, something Trump supporters always claim to care about.
Harris just proposed to eliminate taxes on tips in her latest rally, which is what Trump proposed some months ago and was mocked in this forum.
Is Harris wrong as well, or you guys were previously criticizing Trump proposals in bad faith?
Harris just proposed to eliminate taxes on tips in her latest rally, which is what Trump proposed some months ago and was mocked in this forum.
Is Harris wrong as well, or you guys were previously criticizing Trump proposals in bad faith?
I don't know about anyone else, but I was mocking idiots who tried to proselytise servers by writing "vote Trump" on their receipts while also failing at 1st grade arithmetic. If you have real examples of people doing that for Harris, I'll gladly mock them too.
Harris just proposed to eliminate taxes on tips in her latest rally, which is what Trump proposed some months ago and was mocked in this forum.
Is Harris wrong as well, or you guys were previously criticizing Trump proposals in bad faith?
I think it’s a bad proposal but I think that it takes away one of Trump’s weapons. It’s the only real policy he was proposing and now it’s not even exclusively his policy.
Bad proposal, good politics.
Harris just proposed to eliminate taxes on tips in her latest rally, which is what Trump proposed some months ago and was mocked in this forum.
Is Harris wrong as well, or you guys were previously criticizing Trump proposals in bad faith?
I think it’s a bad proposal but I think that it takes away one of Trump’s weapons. It’s the only real policy he was proposing and now it’s not even exclusively his policy.
Bad proposal, good politics.
As someone who was completely unaware of what Trump said about tipping and taxes I will say it really doesn't matter much. People who get tipped like waitresses, bartenders, taxi drivers, etc. typically don't report their tips as income. So it would make what probably 80% to 90% of them are doing illegally now OK.
But then it is sort of like poker players most of whom don't pay taxes on their winnings.
The funny thing is that the tipping thing wasn't even Trump's idea. It was Ron Paul's idea in 2012. Didn't get him too far though. Trump recently came out to declare that it was his idea and Harris was stealing it from him. LOL (another blatant lie by the Orange man)
What the democrats are trying to accomplish for waitresses and others whose tips make up most of their earnings is to include them as minimum wage earners. Many waiters and waitresses don't even make the minimum wage even including their tips.
To allow their tips to be non taxable would be a bonus and might actually cause people to tip less. Which would be ironic since those that weren't paying taxes on their tips anyway could start earning less...
As someone who was completely unaware of what Trump said about tipping and taxes I will say it really doesn't matter much. People who get tipped like waitresses, bartenders, taxi drivers, etc. typically don't report their tips as income. So it would make what probably 80% to 90% of them are doing illegally now OK.
But then it is sort of like poker players most of whom don't pay taxes on their winnings.
The funny thing is that the tipping th
That may have been true years ago but most folks pay with a credit or debit card and the tip is added to the bill.
As someone who was completely unaware of what Trump said about tipping and taxes I will say it really doesn't matter much. People who get tipped like waitresses, bartenders, taxi drivers, etc. typically don't report their tips as income. So it would make what probably 80% to 90% of them are doing illegally now OK.
But then it is sort of like poker players most of whom don't pay taxes on their winnings.
The funny thing is that the tipping th
Rick if they can declare it and not pay taxes on them they can get mortgages.
Ever thought about that?
And btw when the tip is paid by credit card (and a growing number of them are) it isn't so easy to avoid taxes on that, is it?
I think it’s a bad proposal but I think that it takes away one of Trump’s weapons. It’s the only real policy he was proposing and now it’s not even exclusively his policy.
Bad proposal, good politics.
Only real policy in which sense? He proposes to strongly deregulate fossil extraction, to deport all illegals, and many other things.
Why do you guys need to lie explicitly all the times? I don't get it. Why lie about things that can be objectively easily countered, is that a form of theater you like to perform? Like when Harris uses AI generated pics, easy to debunk, to lie about crowd sizes at her rallies?
Only real policy in which sense? He proposes to strongly deregulate fossil extraction, to deport all illegals, and many other things.
Why do you guys need to lie explicitly all the times? I don't get it. Why lie about things that can be objectively easily countered, is that a form of theater you like to perform? Like when Harris uses AI generated pics, easy to debunk, to lie about crowd sizes at her rallies?
How do you see the deport all illegals playing out in reality though? The feds are heavily dependent on states/locals to do the heavy lifting.
How do you see the deport all illegals playing out in reality though? The feds are heavily dependent on states/locals to do the heavy lifting.
there were people who argued against the motorized vehicle because it meant killing an entire industry centered around horses, saddles, carriages, buggy whips, stables, manure cleaning services, etc
there was tremendous amount of popular support against electricity and political cartoons lambasting it were quite en vogue at the time - it was only the fact that electricity is unequivocally awesome did it ever become adopted despite everyone being against the notion of it initially
the amish have no doctrine against modern technology, for centuries they lived step in step with the rest of society embracing everything new - it wasn't until electricity became mainstream and they worried about potential negative impacts that it could have on their intentionally segregated enclaves that they inadvertently began going down a route of rejecting change and thus became what they are today
don't be the amish
I wonder who will work hard in farms for abysmal wages once all those bad illegal
Immigrants gets ejected ?
Americans?
LOL.
Inflation will go way up and I wonder who will they blame then if they can’t blame immigrants anymore ….
Ah yes , the swamp.
Amish mention ITT, so obligatory:
How do you see the deport all illegals playing out in reality though? The feds are heavily dependent on states/locals to do the heavy lifting.
I see it as a **** feast, but with a lot of actual deportation at the end.
And I see elected politicians not helping being indicted for serious crimes (enabling illegal immigration, protecting them and so on), and some of them going to jail over that.
Which would be nice tbh
The DOJ should go after every single democrat who criminally blocks deportations.
The more I think about it, the better it is.
Leftist enemies of America having their lives ruined, illegals being deported, a change in narrative and discourse, normal people starting to accept democratically passed , constitutional, laws have to followed, and you have no right to disagree if your job is applying the law.
Every state trying to strongarm the application of lawful federal rules seeing 0 federal money. Good stuff.
This anarchic, eversive attempt by the left to disawoe federal constitutional laws has to stop. It's obscene states even think they can have a say on immigration, which is VERY clearly a federal matter under the constitution.
They simply don't have the manpower lol Want to take a guess why? 😀
Same story played out last time he was in office fwiw. And that's pretty much why illegal immigrant numbers stayed pretty much the same all 4yrs. Legal immigration went down alot--but that was mostly covid.
And that's well before stuff like republican business owners purposefully destroying their own bizs.
I see it as a **** feast, but with a lot of actual deportation at the end.
And I see elected politicians not helping being indicted for serious crimes (enabling illegal immigration, protecting them and so on), and some of them going to jail over that.
Which would be nice tbh
The DOJ should go after every single democrat who criminally blocks deportations.
The more I think about it, the better it is.
U know the irony of your dubious false narrative ?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/13/polit...
But immigration advocacy groups criticized then-President Barack Obama as the "deporter in chief" during his bid for reelection in 2012.
Trump has sought to end Obama's program shielding undocumented young people from deportation and has reversed the trend on internal deportations as he's sought to remove more people, including those who have been in the country a long time.
However, Trump still has not reached anywhere near the level of interior removals as the early Obama administration, according to Cato's analysis of data through 2018.
That has created a headache for Biden, who is now paying a political price for that Obama record. His campaign office in Philadelphia was briefly occupied and six immigration rights activists were arrested Wednesday. He's been confronted on the campaign trail.
So I guess some democrats not being evil leftish exist in your « newly discover reality » ….
I see it as a **** feast, but with a lot of actual deportation at the end.
And I see elected politicians not helping being indicted for serious crimes (enabling illegal immigration, protecting them and so on), and some of them going to jail over that.
Which would be nice tbh
The DOJ should go after every single democrat who criminally blocks deportations.
The more I think about it, the better it is.
Leftist enemies of America having their lives
Tell me you don't understand the Constitution without telling me you don't understand the Constitution.
This anarchic, eversive attempt by the left to disawoe federal constitutional laws has to stop. It's obscene states even think they can have a say on immigration, which is VERY clearly a federal matter under the constitution.
--Are you sure about this. A quick google search indicates it is agreed blue states are not doing anything prosecutable under federal law.
The irony is even if there was a possible case, it is likely conservatives wouldn't want to go down this route anyways; as they are much more concerned about the federal govt infringing on what they perceive as "red" state rights than vice versa. So would probably be a Pandora's box they wouldn't want to open.
The idea of the separation of powers is at the core of the American constitution.
The federal government has far fewer powers than what the left would like it to have, but one of them is the power to decide everything about immigration.
This isn't controversial and it's unclear why you guys claim it is.
This anarchic, eversive attempt by the left to disawoe federal constitutional laws has to stop. It's obscene states even think they can have a say on immigration, which is VERY clearly a federal matter under the constitution.
--Are you sure about this. A quick google search indicates it is agreed blue states are not doing anything prosecutable under federal law.
I was answering an hypothetical about actions taken to deport all illegal aliens.
I was asked how I saw the deporting to play out.
Ofc it's possible that no Democratic state / city do anything illegal to block that from happening.
But we already had court battles over S 1373 interpretation during the first trump presidency, and that was when trump wanted to deport a little more illegals, not all of them.
The probability of all democratic led states/localities complying with all federal laws if trump tries to deport all illegals is extremely low.
But it doesn't matter much at this point, Harris is super strong in polls and growing, soon enough the topic would be about the Senate i guess, with the presidency almost a lock for Harris
Trump literally commended Walz’s handling of the BLM protests in Minnesota lol
Also no one is even claiming that he didn’t serve as the rank he claimed he did, or was even that rank right before retiring, what they are saying is that he didn’t retire as that rank. Which is such a “well ACKSHUALLY” point that it just makes you look petty and partisan.
His record on veterans issues makes him a hug
Trump diehards online are mostly just part of big networks amplified by bots and botting that spew out a litany of lies and AI-generated / AI-modified nonsense. Conservative news media exist in a symbiotic relationship with this system, taking stories from it and mixing it with exaggeration and half-truth to make it difficult to untangle.
Posts like the one you responded to (and a fair bunch of others in this thread) are just the net outcome of this eco-system. They will just repost here what went viral inside these eco-systems. There is no debate to be had and there is no reason or fact that will change it.
The system operates at a tempo that makes it pretty much immune to debate. Anything that doesn't stick is replaced near instantly with new bullshit, rinse and repeat. Responding to it on social media makes it worse, because this creates engagement which will make the algorithms push it harder. So there are really no political "defenses" against this tactic. Traditional political approaches certainly won't work, that would be analogous trying to fix a dam with flextape.
And while conservatives and the nationalist-adjacent certainly aren't alone in being subjected to this phenomena (I can pretty much guarantee we have all fell victim to similar things on occasion), their tendency to walk in lockstep, censure any disagreement and distrust any skeptical media creates somewhat of a perfect storm.
