$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

This is why ranging 1/3 everywhere doesn't work.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($31.35) [VPIP: 32.3% | PFR: 30.1% | AGG: 51% | Hands: 139]
SB ($41.37) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 27.5% | AGG: 56.3% | Hands: 41]
HERO ($30) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.6% | Flop Agg: 43.7% | Turn Agg: 36.1% | River Agg: 41.1% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Cold Call: 9.5% | Hands: 75220]
UTG ($25.86) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 5]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 21.5% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 41.9% | Flop Agg: 48.1% | Turn Agg: 39.4% | River Agg: 35% | 3Bet: 8.3% | 4Bet: 24.4% | Hands: 1102]
CO ($32.34) [VPIP: 14.3% | PFR: 9.5% | AGG: 100% | Hands: 21]

Dealt to Hero: 7♣ J♣

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.60, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [18.77 effective]
Flop ($1.30): 3♥ K♥ 5♣
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $0.42 (Rem. Stack: $23.98), HERO Raises To $1.49 (Rem. Stack: $27.91), HJ Calls $1.07 (Rem. Stack: $22.91)

Turn ($4.28): 3♥ K♥ 5♣ 8♣
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $1.41 (Rem. Stack: $21.50), HERO Calls $1.41 (Rem. Stack: $26.50)

River ($7.10): 3♥ K♥ 5♣ 8♣ J♥
HERO Bets $7.10 (Rem. Stack: $19.40), HJ Folds

I've heard the argument that you don't lose much EV, yes if your opponent doesn't adjust. If I know you:

1) Range in non range spots

2) Overfold to check-raises

3) Have tighter 3bet flop range than theory

Then you get exploited.

Also we should be check-raising smaller than theory to take advantage of our opponents inelasticity.

When you pick up equity OTT, do not bet turn in this spot. Think about all the offsuit Kx opponent has compared to FDs. Kx is more likely.

Now when the Jh hits OTR. We know flush completes are overfolded vs Donks (even fish overfold here vs theory)

Strong Flushes are blocked by the board except Ahxh and that hand will X back turn a lot because of perceived SDV.

So when he bets small OTT it is likely he has Kx plus we now have direct odds for our FD.

Because of this we donk river big.

If we hit our flush OTR, we bet small to induce.

This strategy won't work vs strong regs but it's good in this spot.

Come on be up against AK.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25.92) [VPIP: 20.7% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 75% | Hands: 29]
HERO ($35.76) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.6% | Flop Agg: 43.7% | Turn Agg: 36.1% | River Agg: 41.1% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 58% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 75281]
BB ($40.82) [VPIP: 30.9% | PFR: 28.8% | AGG: 51% | Hands: 145]
UTG ($50.12) [VPIP: 18.7% | PFR: 15.2% | AGG: 29.6% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 16.7% | 3Bet: 3.5% | 4Bet: 25% | Fold to 4Bet: 100% | Hands: 304]
HJ ($25.99) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 32]
CO ($7.99) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 16]

Dealt to Hero: Q♠ Q♣

UTG Raises To $0.55, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $2.70, BB Folds, UTG Raises To $5.77, HERO Calls $3.07

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.54 effective]
Flop ($11.79): 4♦ A♣ Q♦
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $4.70 (Rem. Stack: $39.65), HERO Raises To $9.40 (Rem. Stack: $20.59), UTG Calls $4.70 (Rem. Stack: $34.95)

Turn ($30.59): 4♦ A♣ Q♦ 3♥
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $10.09 (Rem. Stack: $24.86), HERO Raises To $20.59 (allin), UTG Calls $10.50 (Rem. Stack: $14.36)

River ($71.77): 4♦ A♣ Q♦ 3♥ J♦

This hand feels like a pure turn bet to me. He should 4b KJ high freq and xr AJ (and even QJ) high freq and if that's not happening, we really need to go b/b/b.

It also gives him the opportunity to jam flush draws and call 88/TT (even 33-55, 77 may peel).

Your last point is what people mean when they say gathering reads btw. Not sure why you always **** on that as concept.

It's not a pure bet in theory since turn is a donk spot so nodelock to no donking and it's mixed.

Jx is betting river alot or x/cing so we always get 2 streets from it. In this pool we get less value going for 3 street in triple barrel lines, if I was playing 200b I would go for 3 streets.

We need to worry about getting value from pocket pairs and in this pool they are folding to turn bets. There's a higher concentration of pocket pairs than Jx.

You have to look at the specific board, J62tt is different than J72tt since 33-55 are calling our flop more often with the backdoor straight draw.

For the last point, the way most people use "reads" isn't correct imo. You need thousands of hands on an individual to have reliable reads.

Meeowth's post reminded me of something I wanted to post that is pretty cool.

Let's say you are in the CO as 3BP IP PFC vs the Blinds.

You are facing a B30-X-B line.

You have two boards:

A. 2 tone flop---->Flush complete river

B. Rainbow flop---->Flush complete river.

Which runout is stronger for the 3BP OOP PFR?

Post your reasoning as well, the real reason is a very common trend in MDA lines.

I got this spot wrong. QQ-AA are 100% calls OTF! If we raise we go small to target AK. Good to know.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($36.33) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.6% | Flop Agg: 43.7% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 58% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 75371]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 5]
BB ($24.88) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 44.6% | Hands: 167]
UTG ($25.55) [VPIP: 22.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 29.2% | Hands: 977]
HJ ($29.38) [VPIP: 28.2% | PFR: 20.5% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 41]
CO ($25.50) [VPIP: 30.9% | PFR: 28.7% | AGG: 43.8% | Flop Agg: 53.3% | 3Bet: 15.8% | 4Bet: 66.7% | Fold to 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 96]

Dealt to Hero: Q♦ Q♣

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.57, HERO Raises To $1.88, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Raises To $5.75, HERO Calls $3.87

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.67 effective]
Flop ($11.85): T♦ 5♣ 3♦
CO Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: $16.75), HERO Raises To $30.58 (allin), CO Folds

I was thinking the opposite and that a reg understudied in this spot would likely have more value in their donking range instead of balanced combos of value and bluffs plus mergey stuff.

It feels like whoever played this donk line is either really studied or just messing around since most regs at this level I dont think play donks on that board (or any flop boards really), if I feel like that reg is really studied and better then me then I will just try to play theory and mix a high frequency call on the turn (I imagine top pair is calling a decent amount vs overbet without any negative blocker qualities). If I think that reg is weak and doing something weird I prob lean fold since A high double bw is not a good texture to be a hero. I assume the good reg will be playing exploitatively and if I don't know what he's doing I'm just going to try my best to play defensive and rng.

200bb preflop isn't studied very often but we have some notable differences. We go from calling 20ish combos to over 100 combos in the SB vs a BTN RFI.

A2s goes from a 100% fold to 100% continue (3bet or call).

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($55.66) [VPIP: 22.3% | PFR: 19.5% | AGG: 42.2% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 39.5% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 12.1% | 4Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 515]
HERO ($51.46) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.5% | Flop Agg: 43.7% | Turn Agg: 36% | River Agg: 41.1% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Cold Call: 9.6% | Hands: 75622]
BB ($46.43) [VPIP: 14% | PFR: 9.3% | AGG: 18.2% | Hands: 44]
UTG ($26.39) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 19% | AGG: 42.2% | Hands: 1111]
HJ ($41.26) [VPIP: 11.9% | PFR: 9.5% | AGG: 42.1% | Hands: 85]
CO ($26.93) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 19% | AGG: 32.8% | Hands: 691]

Dealt to Hero: A♥ 2♥

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.62, HERO Calls $0.52, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [34.12 effective]
Flop ($1.49): 4♠ 3♠ 7♠
HERO Bets $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $50.47), BTN Calls $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $54.67)

Turn ($2.23): 4♠ 3♠ 7♠ 8♥
HERO Bets $1.67 (Rem. Stack: $48.80), BTN Calls $1.67 (Rem. Stack: $53)

River ($5.57): 4♠ 3♠ 7♠ 8♥ 4♥
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

I agree a good heuristic if you don't know the player and you see them donk lead is to assume they are a fish.

not exactly true, you can get some very valueable info from a single showdown vs a rec sometimes

And often you don't even need a showdown. You only need to see a player limp once or twice to know with >95% certainty that he is going to be a passive rec that's going to play like all the other passive recs in the history of poker.

I was talking about regs but you bring up a good point that might be obvious but still worth stating.

We should deviate from our game plan much more quickly vs recs than vs regs.

MDA can sometimes backfire on you depending on what level your opponent is at.

Good reg = Good Bluff

Weaker reg = Bad Bluff

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($90.89) [VPIP: 25.5% | PFR: 22.8% | AGG: 44.7% | Hands: 149]
SB ($30.62)
BB ($40.08) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 162]
UTG ($26.75) [VPIP: 15.4% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 29.2% | Hands: 194]
HJ ($50.86) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 41.1% | Hands: 740]
HERO ($30.57) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.5% | Flop Agg: 43.7% | Turn Agg: 36% | River Agg: 41.1% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 75847]

Dealt to Hero: 9♣ K♣

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $2.25, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1.65

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.96 effective]
Flop ($4.75): 9♥ 2♥ T♥
SB Bets $2.37 (Rem. Stack: $26), HERO Calls $2.37 (Rem. Stack: $25.95)

Turn ($9.49): 9♥ 2♥ T♥ J♠
SB Bets $4.04 (Rem. Stack: $21.96), HERO Raises To $8.08 (Rem. Stack: $17.87), SB Calls $4.04 (Rem. Stack: $17.92)

River ($25.65): 9♥ 2♥ T♥ J♠ 6♣
SB Checks, HERO Bets $17.87 (allin), SB Calls $17.87 (Rem. Stack: $0.05)

I meant I would play it as a pure bet. We want 3 streets from Jx not 2.

And I don't think (esp in these games), people are playing J62 and J72 that differently with 33-55. I'd bet turn and let them make a calling mistake, think it's way higher ev than check in practice.

Regarding reads - you just said you'd change your play next time based on 1 hand. That's a read. You need thousands of hands to have near perfect reads on good regs, but a few showdowns is more than enough to get some sense of how a player thinks. You can use that info to push a neutral ev play against population in some direction (obv not always reliably, but that's the fun of poker!)

[QUOTE=DooDooPoker;58677697For the last point, the way most people use "reads" isn't correct imo. You need thousands of hands on an individual to have reliable reads.[/QUOTE]

this is definitely not true, just one showdown where a guy snap checks a clear bluff is enough to tell you how they think

I agree with both the above posts so I had to re-read my post to understand what I was trying to say.

Okay what I was trying to communicate which failed miserably was that most HUD stats take thousands of hands to converge.

Any stat beyond VPIP/PFR will take thousands of hands to converge and some even more than that.

Uri talks about this in his course.

ah so by reads you meant hud stats

then sure yeah you shoudn’t adjust to what your hud says unless you have a significant enough sample for whatever stats you are thinking of adjusting from

Best video you will ever see on Fish play.

I'll make a summary later for the lazy people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvvQb3Kq...

Funny take in the comments section:

If you have a sub, one of the weekly coaching videos by TheWakko was also on how to play vs fish. Was a good video IMO.

So in reality you need to be proficient at 3 main gameplans in poker:

1) GTO for regs
2) Pool exploits vs unknowns
3) The max MDA exploit vs specific fish type (of which there are various species with distinct exploits)

Stop inventing more poker people. They said I only had to learn GTO

There are similar max MDA exploits for regs too depending on their specific profile. Also don't forget about bot play lol.

Some important points in the video:

There are 7 main fish profiles.

Deep diving 2 fish types.

Piranha = Aggressive-station type

Moray Eel = Aggressive-folding type

Jayser says that the Aggressive-folding type is the toughest fish profile to play against.

Typical Loose-Aggressive fish preflop UTG opening ranges.

Preflop exploit is to 3bet bigger than GTO when OOP and to 3bet linearly (Jayser recommends going from 2.5x to 14x with your 3bet sizing) and when we are IP we use a smaller sizing than GTO and 3bet more.

Against IP PFR Fish for SRP, we want to attack flop X backs the most.

Here is our Turn Probe strategy:

Here are the folding %'s based on sizing and runout.

Okay that is probably enough for now.

2 hands.

Solver thinks this is a big mistake OTR but 65s is a bluff so I think it's whatever. I also think BU underbluffs on this river which makes bluff catching worse.

And I expect AQhh/Q9hh to stab turn a lot.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($57.67) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 42.9% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 34]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 18.9% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 29.2% | Hands: 595]
HERO ($49.87) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.3% | Flop Agg: 43.4% | Turn Agg: 35.8% | River Agg: 41.1% | 3Bet: 10.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 58% | 4Bet: 11.9% | Hands: 76881]
UTG ($27.25) [VPIP: 20.2% | PFR: 18.5% | AGG: 35% | Hands: 248]
HJ ($18.36) [VPIP: 11.4% | PFR: 6.8% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 44]
CO ($24.67) [VPIP: 19.2% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 30.5% | Hands: 545]

Dealt to Hero: 6♣ 7♣

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.60, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $3.10, BTN Calls $2.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [7.42 effective]
Flop ($6.30): 7♥ T♠ 5♥
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $2.07 (Rem. Stack: $52.50), HERO Raises To $7.29 (Rem. Stack: $39.48), BTN Calls $5.22 (Rem. Stack: $47.28)

Turn ($20.88): 7♥ T♠ 5♥ J♣
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($20.88): 7♥ T♠ 5♥ J♣ K♦
HERO Bets $39.48 (allin)

Not sure about turn here, maybe AA/KK don't play like this and I should fold.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25.55) [VPIP: 21.5% | PFR: 18.9% | AGG: 42.6% | Flop Agg: 49.6% | Turn Agg: 40% | River Agg: 34.1% | 3Bet: 8.7% | Fold to 3Bet: 62% | 4Bet: 22.4% | Hands: 1197]
SB ($24.65) [VPIP: 19.2% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 30.5% | Hands: 545]
BB ($51.25) [VPIP: 10.8% | PFR: 4.8% | AGG: 41.2% | Hands: 85]
HERO ($27.92) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39.3% | Flop Agg: 43.4% | Turn Agg: 35.8% | River Agg: 41.1% | 3Bet: 10.3% | 4Bet: 11.9% | Hands: 76881]
HJ ($31.13) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 100% | Hands: 6]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 23% | PFR: 19% | AGG: 46% | Hands: 253]

Dealt to Hero: T♣ T♠

HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Calls $0.50, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $2.67, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $2.17, HJ Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.7 effective]
Flop ($6.19): T♦ J♣ Q♣
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $3.15 (Rem. Stack: $19.73), HERO Calls $3.15 (Rem. Stack: $22.10)

Turn ($12.49): T♦ J♣ Q♣ 6♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $19.73 (allin), HERO ?

What do you guys think?