The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
There is no need to do this act where you pretend to not understand basic things. Obviously some trans men can still get pregnant as they have a uterus etc. Some can't. The whole HAR HAR HAR UKE THINKS MEN GET PREGANT ARE YOU SURE YOU WON"T BE ABLE TO?!??!!? gimmick seems neither funny nor clever.
Haha you never fail to amuse.
Still keeping up the act?
You can stubbornly refuse to call trans men "men" if you like but there is no need to pretend to not understand that these people can get pregnant.
The big ask of you here is not to stop being a transphobe - that's your right. The big ask is to at least be clever about it.
Still keeping up the act?
You can stubbornly refuse to call trans men "men" if you like but there is no need to pretend to not understand that these people can get pregnant.
The big ask of you here is not to stop being a transphobe - that's your right. The big ask is to at least be clever about it.
I don't think anyone claiming men can get pregnant should accuse anyone of not being clever.
Still keeping up the act?
You can stubbornly refuse to call trans men "men" if you like but there is no need to pretend to not understand that these people can get pregnant.
The big ask of you here is not to stop being a transphobe - that's your right. The big ask is to at least be clever about it.
Saying men can't get pregnant or have periods is not transphobe its science Though you are correct trans men can get pregnant as they are biologically female but I am sure many of the drugs they consume to maintain that status will have an effect on that as well
There is no need to do this act where you pretend to not understand basic things. Obviously some trans men can still get pregnant as they have a uterus etc. Some can't. The whole HAR HAR HAR UKE THINKS MEN GET PREGANT ARE YOU SURE YOU WON"T BE ABLE TO?!??!!? gimmick seems neither funny nor clever.
FYI, you are referring to females.
Still keeping up the act?
You can stubbornly refuse to call trans men "men" if you like but there is no need to pretend to not understand that these people can get pregnant.
The big ask of you here is not to stop being a transphobe - that's your right. The big ask is to at least be clever about it.
Some women who think they are men and live in some sense like men can get pregnant if they have intercourse with "people with a dick" and those people come inside without a condom and they didn't take too many hormones sterilizing them yes.
Still women (XX individuals who ovulate) getting pregnant
Some women who think they are men and live in some sense like men can get pregnant if they have intercourse with "people with a dick" and those people come inside without a condom and they didn't take too many hormones sterilizing them yes.
Still women (XX individuals who ovulate) getting pregnant
''women with a dick''
Or my personal favorite
''HER penis''
Please share the source. Sorry if I don’t take people at their word when it comes to the trans issue, because lying is prevalent in this space on both sides.
you're telling on yourself, this has been posted recently and often
also, can you please try posting without including personal insults in most of them?
you're telling on yourself, this has been posted recently and often
also, can you please try posting without including personal insults in most of them?
No I won’t stop insulting people who use insanely inflammatory language to try to moralize their way into winning conversations. It’s cringe and r*tarded. It would be like me coming in here and saying that they want trans kids to die and commit suicide or that they’re trying to genocide trans kids or some stupid lefty idpol bullshit. The rhetorical tactics are so transparent and dumb.
I personally find it extremely offensive and problematic because the whole "lady dick" thing has been used to pressure lesbians into having sex with "trans-lesbians." The idea that young lesbians acquiesce to pressure from males with penises in fear of being labeled a bigot really upsets me.
If you go to any lesbian on subreddit, females have been all but run off. The mods there are all Crossnerd types and now lesbians have no place to discuss their issues. Whenever a lesbian speaks out, they're banned and their posts are deleted. I had a reddit account banned for speaking up for them. I had a few PM me, talking about how they're forced to "pretend" they're okay with it just to not get their accounts nuked. It's seriously not okay.
Here's a page that uses the reddit API to show overlap between subreddit subscriptions). Check the overlap between LesbianActually, sapphoandherfriend, and ActualLesbians. They've all been completely overtaken by trans-identified males. It's seriously distressing to me that we're supposed to validate this level of rapey coercion because a man can now just declare himself a lesbian. Women are no longer allowed to be same-sex attracted, I guess? It doesn't sit right with me. I'd punch a dude in the face for pestering one of my lesbian friends to give him a try because she "just hasn't had the right dick yet" or something. People are allowed a sexual orientation without being coerced into trying the other side. I find it ridiculous that I even need to state this.
Why am I expected to turn a blind eye to this? There are no two ways about it: this ideology is inherently homophobic. To those of you who support gender ideology, how do you justify this? Presumably you'd support gay rights, so how do you expect gay rights to exist when this ideology is founded upon eliminating the demarcation line between the sexes? If men can be women and vice versa, there's no such thing as homosexuality. Some things are exclusionary by design, such as dating. And some things must remain exclusive in order to exist, such as same-sex attraction.
Plus what other group is allowed to say **** like this without ANY pushback whatsoever?
We're just allowing violent misogyny to exist out in the open like this because the targets are (largely lesbian) women?
insanely inflammatory language
It’s cringe and r*tarded
:-/
Ok groomer. Stop trying to groom young kids into a fake sexual ideology of homosexualism you pervert. Stop with this fake problem of metaphysical claptrap like sexual ideology and fake oppression like homophobia. You disgust me that you want to sexualize children into throwing their life away by removing themselves from the gene pool. All to advance your disgusting sexual degeneracy. Why do you want to teach children to have anal sex which
This comes across as a bit strange.
No I won’t stop insulting people who use insanely inflammatory language to try to moralize their way into winning conversations. It’s cringe and r*tarded. It would be like me coming in here and saying that they want trans kids to die and commit suicide or that they’re trying to genocide trans kids or some stupid lefty idpol bullshit. The rhetorical tactics are so transparent and dumb.
enjoy your time out once a mod sees that
No I won’t stop insulting people who use insanely inflammatory language to try to moralize their way into winning conversations. It’s cringe and r*tarded. It would be like me coming in here and saying that they want trans kids to die and commit suicide or that they’re trying to genocide trans kids or some stupid lefty idpol bullshit. The rhetorical tactics are so transparent and dumb.
checkraise i actually like you , you are far better than the avg leftist, i suggest you delete with apologies to avoid banning
If they take any action against him, it'll be used as cover to ban me for a month or longer for mentioning that lesbians are same-sex attracted females. Anyway, I'm still casting my vote for less "mod" involvement altogether. He's just making himself seem more and more unhinged, which eventually solves itself. Holler.
There is no need to do this act where you pretend to not understand basic things. Obviously some trans men can still get pregnant as they have a uterus etc. Some can't. The whole HAR HAR HAR UKE THINKS MEN GET PREGANT ARE YOU SURE YOU WON"T BE ABLE TO?!??!!? gimmick seems neither funny nor clever.
There are only two genders, bro: male and female. “Transmen” is not a gender. So, what you’re really saying is, “women can get pregnant if they haven’t yet sterilized themselves.” Thanks captain obvious.
Lol this trio today. Obviously "mutilated" is choosing the most emotionally charged word possible for what is a doctor-supported medical procedure. I guess my surgeon mutilated me when they removed my cancerous thyroid. You can oppose gender-affirming surgeries if you must, but maybe drop the act where you pretend you can't figure out why your word choices are silly.
Removing a malignancy that will kill you if that isn’t done is not even close to chopping off penises or boobies. Those are not procedures necessary to sustain life.
The more popular narrative is that chromosomes don't matter at all. Every comment section on Imane Khelif is filled with this notion that anyone suggesting that XX = female, XY = male is super dated and using archaic, basic science. You have to have that advanced understanding to realize that plenty of females have Y chromosomes that are fully functional. *facepalm*
People sure seem to struggle with analogies these days. A cancerous growth is the same as a teenage girl's healthy, developing breasts? Again, people should also be concerned with the accompanying cognitive issues that arise with "pausin.... I'm still baffled that we think stopping natural hormonal development in favor of unnatural, abnormal hormonal injection is healthy. Do a search for the term "brain fog" in the M... and count how often it comes up. Isn't this, uh, a little concerning? Plenty of them actually believe they're experiencing a female "period" with some of the side effects from the wrong hormones, too. So progressive. These subs are littered with threads like this, which is anything but....
Glad you caught that and had it successfully removed, uke.
sufficiently advanced "science" is indistinguishable from magic
LOL another one of these folks pretending they don't understand the basic idea that a trans man can get pregnant. Ya buddy exactly zero people are disagreeing on the "science" here. But then:
Though you are correct trans men can get pregnant
Looks like you figured it out? Now can you all drop the act where you pretend not to understand what is obviously being referred to here?
Lol sure you have. Buddy, nobody* believes an XY chromosome turns into an XX chromosome. There is no need to play this silly game where you pretend that when people talk about transitioning they are suggesting this. You were the guy who pretended they were a noob account that just read the 8000 posts ITT on the toilet before being outed as a previously banned poster, right? Well why don't you quote just one person from this thread who suggested this.
One.
*the internet is large and stupid and searchable, so probably there is some idiot somewhere who genuinely believes this. But in all practical sense this is a completely made up non-position of the left.
LOL another one of these folks pretending they don't understand the basic idea that a trans man can get pregnant. Ya buddy exactly zero people are disagreeing on the "science" here. But then:
Looks like you figured it out? Now can you all drop the act where you pretend not to understand what is obviously being referred to here?
uke we just reject your use of the word "trans man"
Lol no this isn't a "popular narrative". You are just making it up. Is there a single person ITT that you can quote saying "chromosomes don't matter at all"?
Glad you caught that and had it successfully removed, uke.
What on earth are you talking about.
I'm referring to comment sections on social media posts. You are disingenuously suggesting we said "ITT" when we didn't. Do you need me to find you those posts or can you look yourself like a big boy? Anyway, I was banned for "hate speech" or whatever for pointing out that Imane Khelif is a male with XY chromosomes. What do you call that if not the disregard of chromosomes tying into sexing our species?
I am referring to your reference to treating cancerous cells in your body? I was saying I'm glad you noticed that and had it taken care of.
I'm referring to comment sections on social media posts. You are disingenuously suggesting we said "ITT" when we didn't. Do you need me to find you those posts or can you look yourself like a big boy? Anyway, I was banned for "hate speech" or whatever for pointing out that Imane Khelif is a male with XY chromosomes. What do you call that if not the disregard of chromosomes tying into sexing our species?
Ok, that's good to know that the whole "chromosomes don't matter bit" you are complaining about isn't the position of a single person in this 8000 post thread. Comment sections on social media are stupid and vast so probably someone somewhere has indeed said something stupid. But you said this was a "popular narrative" which is ridiculous. And absurd strawman.
I also think she has XY chromosomes (presuming the statement from that boxing group is truthful). I'm not at any risk of being banned for it. And while I wasn't paying attention to your last ban, I'm going to go ahead and assume that this wasn't what you were banned for.
I am referring to your reference to treating cancerous cells in your body? I was saying I'm glad you noticed that and had it taken care of.
Ah I see. Thank you.
