ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
I suppose people like me are irrelevant , and i personally am not even an american so i don't count at all, but unlike many other things trump gets criticized for that are either not a problem with me, or just a minor element, i can't accept taking in a person as disgusting an monstrous as RFK.
I am with you on this point. Embracing or promoting what you know to be bad government in a cynical effort to win elections is a road to nowhere.
In fairness, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of this sort of thing. Throwing blue superPAC money behind idiot MAGA candidates in Congressional Republican primaries was an obvious example on the Democratic side.
I think RFK nets Trump some, how much is debatable and very hard to say.
There's definitely a contingent that went with him because they hated Trump and hated Biden, that potentially go to Harris.
I think RFK dropping out will have a very trivial effect on the election for several reasons. First, everyone knew he was going to drop out. To some degree, it was baked in already. Second, I suspect that a lot of supposed RFK voters were simply protesting the lack of a third option, have no actual allegiance to RFK, and don't care who he endorses. A lot of those people will just stay home, vote some other third party option, or scribble their crazy uncle's name on the ballot. Third, RFK supporters who plan to vote for a major party candidate won't break significantly enough for Trump or Kamala to matter.
I think RFK dropping out will have a very trivial effect on the election for several reasons. First, everyone knew he was going to drop out. To some degree, it was baked in already. Second, I suspect that a lot of supposed RFK voters were simply protesting the lack of a third option, have no actual allegiance to RFK, and don't care who he endorses. A lot of those people will just stay home, vote some other third party option, or scribbl
I think it got backed in recently when RFK running mate mentioned the idea, betting odds moved more than usual (in favor of Trump) on those news.
But it's minimal anyway, as most events appear to be these elections, vast majority of voters already made up their mind, and the truly undecided are honestly inscrutable
btw some of the worst alt-right fanatic pro trump accounts on twitter are pushing RFK endorsement as the best thing ever for the campaign, they really believe this is pushing them over the edge in purple states
I'm thinking 1 to 1.5% max of an effect on the election.
I also think those two pieces of crap might have a falling out before election day, negating any bump.
Turns out his campaign was an attention whoring scam all along.
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violating the terms of his release?
He's out on bail lol
Man he is going to have roles if Trump wins the election, he isn't disappearing from the scene retiring on the beach with an endorsement (in which case i would agree with you).
That person is A LOT MORE TOXIC than trump ever could be. Toxic as in "if he has a platform with significant following, society becomes worse"
pls link to when the bail amount was decided for his convinction in NYS, waiting for sentencing
I have no idea whether he had to pay bail or he is out on personal recognizance. If you are awaiting trial, on trial, or awaiting sentencing, you have to abide by bail conditions whether you pay bail or are RoR'ed (released on recognizance). That is called "being on bail". This is the same for every defendant; the amount of bail, if any, and the exact bail conditions vary.
I have no idea whether he had to pay bail or he is out on personal recognizance. If you are awaiting trial, on trial, or awaiting sentencing, you have to abide by bail conditions whether you pay bail or are RoR'ed (released on recognizance). That is called "being on bail". This is the same for every defendant; the amount of bail, if any, and the exact bail conditions vary.
Fact is i can't find anything about any bail for Trump after that convinction, while awaiting sentencing. Are you positive what you wrote works the same for new york state?
Fact is i can't find anything about any bail for Trump after that convinction, while awaiting sentencing. Are you positive what you wrote works the same for new york state?
It's entirely possible that whatever bail conditions he was under pre trial were extended post conviction. I'm not 100% sure, no, but I don't see why it would be different to what I wrote in any US jurisdiction, it's pretty standard.
It's entirely possible that whatever bail conditions he was under pre trial were extended post conviction. I'm not 100% sure, no, but I don't see why it would be different to what I wrote in any US jurisdiction, it's pretty standard.
I understand what you mean but i would expect what you describe to be written in detail somewhere, in a CNN article or whatever, while i can't find anything.
Not saying you are wrong, not my field of expertise, but i need actual corroboration to the claim that he has to behave as someone under bail
I understand what you mean but i would expect what you describe to be written in detail somewhere, in a CNN article or whatever, while i can't find anything.
Not saying you are wrong, not my field of expertise, but i need actual corroboration to the claim that he has to behave as someone under bail
I found the relevant statute for you if you want to read it.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/law...
I am sure you can find Trump's bail conditions if you look in the right place, it should be a matter of public record.
I don't think he's out on bail. But he did have to post bond to appeal.
That was for the other guilty verdict, the civil fraud case, where there is no prison time involved
Correct. You don't have to a post bond purely to appeal a criminal conviction. If you want to stay out of prison pending appeal of a criminal conviction, I suspect it's a similar situation to staying out of prison pre-sentencing with regards to bail / personal recognizance and bail conditions.
