2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
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It’s more in the realm of applied ethics than normative ethics. I can think of much more extreme examples if you want to bite the bullet on never voting lesser evil.
The problem with withholding votes is a separate problem than what I’m talking about. It’s not a well thought out strategy because if the party wins, you completely take yourself out of the coalition. Even if the party loses they might hate you too much to try to appeal to you and will just move to the right/center to attract more moderates (Clinton triangulation).
Then there’s antiduopoly types that should spend all their time on fixing the electoral system if they don’t like the two party system, although boring electoral reforms seem to be extremely unpopular in America for some reason.
I voted the lesser evil pretty often, which in Italy means voting very very far from my values (no party is even vaguely libertarian leaning).
That doesn't mean I did it every time, and btw one thing a person can oppose is the voting system itself.
In the USA there is the 2 party system but you vote often, and for many things.
They need your vote not only once every four year. There are many primaries, many seats you are voting for.
You can vote Jill Stein for president but vote a Democratic senator for example, and they do notice those votes
I was actually asking you who you would support and what policies you would support that you think would accomplish an end to the conflict.
If you don't want to answer, that is fine.
Turnout has often been in the 50% in the USA, and far higher in brazil, does that seem to correlate with personal freedoms and democracy to you?
oh right the USA famously does not lock up or execute dissidents
You aren't locked up so i guess that answers the question
menna b a slam dunk lolol
Viktor thinks US prisons are worse than Soviet Gulags btw. I am not joking.
Whom did the US famously lock up or execute for being a dissident?
That can't be a serious question.
I have no idea whom you have in mind. Humour me.
you can start here but as the great 72o said I aint doing book reports for you guys
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What’s the data say
A few examples can easily be found, but they don't allow any equivalence with regimes that lock up and execute a ton more.
The worst one by a very large margin was the internment of japanese-americans by the left-most president in USA history , which the left-most SCOTUS in USA history considered constitutional.
While this is obviously not ideal, the fact that you equate actions the US government took against armed militants to actions the governments you idolise regularly take/took against journalists, authors and such is pretty laughable.
There is no randomized control trial of gulags vs american prisons so it's impossible to make any claim about the comparison between the 2, sorry that's how social science works.
The USA fights against domestic armed terrorists when they try to overthrow the state which is why when China sterilizes all uighur women to genocide their ethnicity it's the same.
If you need to ask, you probably need to do some more reading on the subject of soviet Gulags. Wikipedia is a great place to start.
Hint: saying US prisons are worse than soviet Gulags would be akin to saying US prisons are worse than Nazi concentration camps. Would you be asking for "data" is someone made that comparison?
now hes gonna argue that the people assassinated and thrown in jail on fake charges deserved it. peak liberal right here folks.
the famous armed militant MLK!
The US government assassinated MLK? Tell me more.
Again, while obviously not ideal and a stain on American history, they were not interred for being dissidents.
Not what I said though, is it? What I said is that you are drawing false equivalences, as per the standard operating procedure for your kind.
d2_e4: The US government doesn't do xyz to people for being dissidents.
Victor: What about these guys?
d2_e4: They were more than just dissidents. They were armed militants.
Victor: So they deserved it then? Standard libtard.
Lol you, Victor. Lol you.
they were interred for being potentially dissidents, even worse.
"how can we be sure that they won't help japan soldiers"