[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

Do you have any evidence that they found thermite at the WTC wreckage?

I didn't watch it because I doubt NDT has watched it.

I just want to know what you think NDT knows. You type a lot, but seem unwilling to say what that is directly. I think it's because you can't. If you make clear claims it becomes more obvious when you're wrong. And i'll state for a fact that you're absolutely wrong about their being some conspiracy of silence among the physics community. I was working pretty closely with physicists in multiple departments at the height of the 9/11 conspiracy fad. Scientists were not buying it for pretty obvious reasons people have already explained to you.

9/11 involved mass death so it's a little different than flat earth or moon landing. And many conspiracies are non science based; planes brought the towers down but the CIA did it etc.

This applies to the government's conspiracy story as well. Some ragtag group of cave dwellers, who had zero missions of this nature in their history, infiltrated the U.S., sent their terrorist agents to flight school in the U.S., and they manage to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes and corkscrew right into the Pentagon, right through our air defenses which by then were on full alert.

And then we don't have enough evidence to convict the mastermind even though we tortured him? Even though we had access to so many of his supposed collaborators possessions and communications?

This is the outlandish conspiracy theory. And I don't think any of you believe it because you just aren't that dumb. Maybe Gogorian believes it.

Last I checked the world majority agreed with me, not you. So I don't see how agreeing with so many people makes me special.

It is self evident that the pile driver thesis is ridiculous. Then they turned around and told you aliens were here just to see how you would react. Did you care that someone in power tried to pass that enormous excremental sausage onto your plate? Were you offended? Nope. You just went on with your day wondering were you going to now have to pretend to believe in aliens or not.

Is ruling class propaganda a thing in your world?

Are there sheeple out there or is that just an invention of the conspiratards?

the only propaganda is from Russia.

The people they describe as sheeple? Sure. The word "sheeple"? From what I've seen, anyone who uses that word unironically definitely has a screw or two loose.

It's very funny that you think torture makes it easier to legally convict someone.

Also hilarious is that you seems to believe lizard people are able to control the world's scientists, media, and politicians but somehow can't fake evidence to convict KSM? Weird demonstration of fair play from the people willing to kill 3,000 people just for fun.

Right.... just like the University of Hawaii and the University of Washington having the premier volcanology departments in the nation make it more likely volcanic eruptions are triggered by people.

Bad example. But how does sklansky know that Covid being found near the test sites turns it from an underdog to a favorite. That’s very specific. I’d like to see the work

Spoiler: He doesn't know that and his "work" will be made up. Bayes theorem tells you how to adjust prior probabilities with new information but doesn't help you at all if you don't know much about prior probabilities or the chances of the new info occurring.

Genuinely amazing how Sklansky cannot apply Bayes' theorem correctly at a basic level.

So he posts the same way as he writes his books

I’m going to have to YouTube it

The confession is worthless but if you don't think they tried to torture the evidence out of him I'd have to hear your thoughts as to why because that wouldn't make any sense at all on the surface. The mere fact that he was tortured should tell you that getting the evidence against AQ would not have been subject to the same ethical considerations as that against a civilian. If you follow the case you would know that a lot of the wrangling was around blocking exculpatory evidence held by the defense.

I've explained to you many times how I believe institutional influence works. You have your directives you follow to get the resources you need to live or thrive. We've seen people go along with Nazism. There is nothing particularly evil about the Germans, or the Israelis for that matter. People go along with whatever the program is as long as they are ok.

You are going to vote for Kamala Harris, who has broadcast her intention to continue allowing a genocide, because bombs aren't being dropped on your family. That's just how people are. They are disgusting, most of them. You're not going to stand up to anything being done as long as it doesn't affect you personally. If you would abide by genocide you would abide by anything. Going along with a few lies to support the propaganda narrative would be nothing for you, no moral qualm whatsoever, clearly, since you support genocide.

Lol. How you managed to completely miss the point of his example is beyond me.

Let's try an easier one: does building bridges create rivers, or so you build bridges where the rivers are?

I didn’t miss it. Going from underdog means you’ve quantified and then going to favorite means you quantified again

I just wanna see the work

Because evidence obtained via torture is not legally admissible.

So that’s enough to change it to 51% certainty? How did you guys figure this out?

Yes but it is very easy to construct an alternate route to the evidence. We've already seen a plague of this happening in U.S. domestic cases where cops tap surveillance data in an illegal way to get evidence then lie about how they found that evidence. You torture KSM and get him to say where some evidence is. You send people in to get it. You say you got a tip from an informant. No risk.

But we should have the evidence anyway. We raided Bin Laden's compound and got his hard drive, papers, and emails. We've been spying on AQ for years. We built them up as assets ffs. And we can't get any evidence on KSM for 9/11? It's because it doesn't exist. They didn't do this. It's beyond their capabilities. We know what they're capable of which is simple bombings of Americans exposed overseas.

Have you really thought through what it takes to get 19 people into the U.S. from across the ocean, from the countries they were in? It's not easy at all. And then stay here? And maintain those people and their morale while they are living the Western life? Nothing in your story checks out.

Or they didn’t write anything down and didn’t speak about the operation over the phone

Assuming that the region doesn't have any indicia of being predisposed to having deadly coronavirus strains pop up, yes. Which was eda's point.

They don't "just so happen" to be doing research there. It's a part of the world where coronaviruses are endemic, it's entirely logical for a biolab to be there. ed's volcano analogy seems to have sailed right over your little head.

It is not. That's why they torture info out of suspects.

or PW meant it's a bad example because Wuhan is not in close proximity to large/unique bat populations and if locating a lab in close proximity was the goal it would've been in southern china.

closer analogy might be an advanced seismology lab based in utah conducting novel ground drilling techniques to test impact on tectonic plates, and the biggest earthquake in a century epicentering in that region