The costs of trans visibility

I understand you don't see that here yes, I was asking more generally if you can accept there are cases where that obligation can arise, and so understand that for some of us it could apply here even if it doesn't for you

Do you call the 7 year old a she?

Exactly.

I don't want to fire anyone for being a homosexual or for being transgender. If anything grown ups should do what ever the hell they want to. With that being said, biology 101 says men can NOT be women and vice versa. If that makes me a transphobe, well so be it.

I'm glad your stance is the same as mine when it comes to trans women playing in women's sports. Finding common ground with trans ideologues like yourself is borderline impossible but here we are. We did it.

There is often a stage of moral nihilism when initially facing complexity.

I've had the privilege to not personally face this complexity with anything at stake. I'm not a nihilist qua nihilist, but if this is nihilistic, I'm fine with that.

It takes a village.

All the totally not anti trans people attacking someone for having a truly moderate view is a sight. Where is Rick to set us straight on what a moderate viewpoint actually is?

Then, the village owes a lot of people a lot of money. Childcare is expensive.

Not sure if I'm a moderate. Frankly, I just don't think about trans issues often enough to have strong stances on them. I haven't opened up much headspace on the topic. I was just responding to the fear that kids are spreading transiness to one another and it could infect the poster's kids.

I did just remember that we have another family with whom we're close that has a non-binary 13-year-old. They expressed this a couple of years ago and we've known the family for about 11 years, so I misgender the kid frequently by accident. We've never discussed this kid's identity with our kids. It just hasn't come up.

At least your side is achieving what it’s trying to. Having parents who see other parents fail their children pretend it’s not happening or worse, pretend it’s normal.

Buddy over here referring to a 7 year old boy as a she and as a trans.

It is with insane regulations. It wasn't without.

A normies 100 IQ 16y old girl was allowed to babysit 2-3 kids 30, years ago.

Now they would arrest her and the parents if that arrangement was regular, or something like that.

Cordi a pre puberal individual can't be trans because he doesn't even know what being a girl or a boy means.

Moderate viewpoint is trans people exist, and you can only be trans if after years living in sex X body after puberty, you constantly feel you actually are of the opposite sex without ever changing your mind.

Those people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against for this very peculiar characteristic, and when it costs us nothing or close to nothing to accomodate them, it's fair to claim we should do that

It’s undeniable the Woke are effective and have largely won over western culture.

I’m not going to try to move you off this position, but are you willing to acknowledge the causal connection between society being more accepting of trans adults and the increase of kids age 7 denying their bio-sex-gender?

Whats the correct parenting tactic in this instance in your guys opinion?

Are you trying to put policy in place that requires parents to take your recommended action?

What do you think is the solution to 7 year olds who claim they are the opposite gender?

It's a good question because there are no easy answers. It's both very problematic to interfere with parental rights, and very problematic to let abusive parents roam free and ruin their kid lives (not saying it applies to this case, h am answering generally).

I think it's one of the most actually gray areas possible in the law, and I don't have a clear cut answer about solutions because libertarianism doesn't answer the very important question of what society should do with people incapable of deciding for themselves (minors, incapacitated adults and so on).

A think a society of adults should strive for equilibrium and discuss these things a lot trying to find compassionate answers that balance the absolutely fundamental parental rights element with the fundamental protection of people who can't decide for themselves.

It's thorny, and it's truly complicated, unlike many other things in life where solutions are simple

https://www.cato.org/commentary/transgen...

While I think we would disagree on many of the pathways that come from this line of thinking, we both agree that getting down into the weeds on this topic is complicated.

Ye this is about trans but the problem is huge in general, think everything from extremely religious education of kids to demented elders.

There is no easy solution

I think we would agree on more things that you claim for incapacited adults.

we would probably disagree more wrt kids yes

At 7 years old there’s no medical transition only social. So there’s not much stakes involved in that. If you don’t like it don’t be their friend ig but there’s no child abuse happening.

Pretty much the same as when they say they are a firetruck. Ignore it. When they get a little bit older, say 10, then they need counseling.

1. I know what isn't the correct parenting tactic. That's conforming to the claim that a 7 year old boy thinks he's a girl and letting/making him live like that. Changing the kids pronouns and name and pretending this is normal. It's not.

2. Good question and slippery slope. First instinct is to say no, I'm a parent myself, last thing I'd want is for some governing body to tell me how to raise my kids. Now with that being said, it's quite clear that there is plenty of parents out there who are terrible parents. I'm sure you'll call me one, that's fine.

3. See 1. Ignore it. Let them be 7. My son believes he's Spiderman most days, should I let him fight crime in Queens? Should I start addressing him as Peter Parker and ask his classmates to do the same?

Plenty of stake involved in changing the pronouns and names of a 7 year old boy. Just let the kid be 7.

If a family with 3 children has TWO prepuberal self identified children, would
you think the same?

I’d say if that’s the argument you two want to make that you’re committing a category error.