The costs of trans visibility

great time to teach your children about freedom and the first amendment

Pat your kid on the head and buy them whatever things they want, regardless if it suits the gender you feel they were physically born with

It's not really that complicated. If a kid at 6 or 7 says they're the opposite gender, you just ignore it. If they persist in it, or seem to have some distress, you figure out what the issue is, and you validate them - "you're not a girl, you're a boy who likes playing with girls' toys, and that's fine." If they're being bullied in the neighbourhood for being a "sissy" or something like that, you can talk to the teacher or the other kids' parents. In general kids don't have a very long attention span, pretty soon they'll move onto wanting to be Lionel Messi and the bully will be their new best friend.

The only way this becomes a problem is if they have an abuser putting false ideas like "you're a girl born in a boy's body" into someone's head. If that's the case, you do what you can to remove that person from your child's life.

I think it’s highly possible media contagion is possible for at least a small % of the population - > qanon movement with covid ?
Anyway kids are often -> monkey see monkey do , arent they ?

At this point, it’s not a single person communicating and celebrating this idea; it’s a vocal segment of every child’s social world in western society.

I think we need to teach men that it is part of the male experience to want to be a woman and to feel like a woman, and thats perfectly normal for many people

just like some men like women, some men like men, and some men want to dress/act like or be a woman.

and thats ok

it's amazing the kind of discussion that can take place between parties once the 3 posters who routinely scream, attack all posters with different views, and call them evil take a few days off from posting

Yeah this becomes problematic when that person is both their parents. In the case of the 7 year old boy whose parents allow him to be a she/her, aren't they doing exactly the above?

It's almost as if the entire world isn't filled with hateful anti-trans bigots.

it really doesn’t. Biology 101 will inform you that you can’t change your chromosomes. But that just ain’t what transgender people are saying. They are saying they identify differently from their sex. There is nothing in biology 101 or any other class that says that is impossible. It’s a category error.

Great discussion you’re having!

Men can not get pregnant. Men can not be women.

Thank you.

Go ahead. Tell us your warped views on how you would handle a 7 year old boy who thinks he's a girl.

they say they identify differently without qualifying (what is a female gender identity in objective terms?) what that means, which has no meaning semantically, and they want to use the exact same word used for the unmodifiable biological sex (I wonder why).

non gender theory abiding trans people instead qualify gender identity with the normal cultural markers of biological sex (and so the identity has objective meaning).

so when a non-radical-leftist man says he identifies as a woman that can make actual sense: it means (among other things, if he says that in our culture) he wants to wear heels, wear makeup, move the furniture in the house repeatedly without any actual reason, obsess about body weight much more than men normally do and so on and on, and that can make that person actually a she from outside as well, we can in some way understand what that person means.

if that self identification becomes stable in time, and that person actually acts upon it with a myriad of congruent behaviors, then that "he" can actually become a she for third parties and live as a woman.

Can never become a woman though and the word used to describe that person shouldn't be woman, same as no matter how much you live as a Chinese person you can never become of Han ethnicity if you aren't one when you are born.

now radical leftist activists, gender theorists, want people to be allowed to claim any identity, with NO elements to define what any identity actually means, no behavioral change linked to any identity, and for everyone else to accept and "affirm" those identities (many of which are made up words with no meaning) even if they refuse to qualify those labels.

every identity for those Marxists means simply "that person thinks he is of that identity" it's purely circular, and it would be comical if it wasn't what they actually want our laws to enforce (!!!!!).

and when they don't make up words (like "demi sexual" or whatever) they want to use words used for millennia to mean biological sex and you are a bigot if you refuse

Thats great. But you can’t pretend you are disagreeing on anything to do with “biology 101”, since trans people are asserting that biological males can get pregnant. Like sure, fine, refuse to refer to trans people by their gender identity. You’re allowed to be transphobic. But can you not play the silly game where you pretend the disagreement is over some biology 101 fact?

they want to use the word men to include people who can get pregnant, we disagree.

The disagreement is over biological facts though. Maybe they covered male pregnancies in 201. If that's what you're upset about I apologize. It was biology 201.

So lazy.

Can you answer my other question?

You really should drop this bit. The disagreement just objectively has nothing to do with biological facts. Maybe phil 101, but not bio 101. Like neither of us disagrees that the group "trans man" are capable of pregnancies (being comprised of biological females), the objection is purely one that you refuse to CALL that group "trans men". It's a naming convention, not a biology disagreement. So stop pretending.

Um, well I happened to have a son that age (and is very excited to wear his pink sequin heart shirt on the first day of grade 2), but as you suggest, if we can't get over basics like what subject area we are even talking about I doubt you will get to the nuances there.

Nope. Men can't be women therefore men can't be pregnant. You can attach ''trans'' to it, but it doesn't change that very simple biological fact. This has nothing to do with philosophy either.

I'm not the one pretending btw.

Stop dodging the question and just answer it. Share your false sophistication on this very complex matter.

Very transphobic, homophobic and quite frankly sexist of you to include the color of the shirt.

Nobody is suggesting being trans is changing a "simple biological fact". Why do you keep pretending the debate is one about biological facts? If there was a trans man who said they had XY chromosomes, then your cute little bit here might have some weight, but nobody is suggesting that.

I am old enough to remember the Olympic games in 2024 where 2 XY athletes were repeatedly called women, biological ones

Why are you dodging the question on what you would do if your 7 year old son said he was a girl? Too ashamed to share your insanity? Too embarrassed to admit you would betray the LGTBQ community by telling your son he can NOT be a girl?

We are in full agreement yet 2 pages ago there's someone who claims the 7 year old friend of his children is a boy who is now referred to as a she.

Buddy, slow down. You are still at level 0. Still confused that referring to people as trans is a disagreement about biological facts like whether or not they can get pregnant. Try attaining level, oh, i dunno 3 of 100 and I'll happily share how I might interact with my son.

It really isn't that tricky of a concept, and 7 year olds absolutely are able to grasp it at a 7 year old level. And GASP they can understand it without it being some evil manipulation!

Confirmed. Too ashamed or too embarrassed.

😀

And I'm sure you are super up in arms about the numbers of breast augmentations done on minors in the US each year that dwarves gender affirming surgeries, right?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...

I mean, these surgeries are unnecessary, dangerous, filled with complications, and have a much higher regret rate than gender affirming surgery, so you must really REALLY hate them, right?

Its funny, I've looked at your post history, and although there are hundreds about gender affirming care, I have yet to find one about how upset you are about these particular children being mutilated for no good reason.

I wonder why that is?

I would be very much up in arms against breast augmentation for minors for aesthetic reasons and if that is what is happening thanks for telling that to me because I didn't know and of course it's a very significant problem.

BUT afaik breast augmentation by itself unlike breast removal doesn't drastically change your capabilities of rearing children (correct me if I am wrong) so even if it's something thst I would oppose, of it doesn't affect fertility and child rearing which is actually what I care about.

IE I mostly care about not removing the option to normally have children and managing them as nature has intended, for biological women