Vice-President Kamala Harris

I better not find out you are pro tax cuts, because a tax credit is essentially just a tax cut

Ye except some people are arguing the literal opposite applies to Trump and abortion lol

So wait the proposal is to give up to 6k but only to people who pay federal income tax? That's interesting

The problem with Trump and abortion is that he can't escape his record of tapping SCOTUS justices viewed as repugnant on the issue to those who side with Kamala on the issue.

You know math and equivalence ain’t their strong attributes.

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Yes, the tax credit is a refund that has a threshold between which you can get the maximum allotted refund up to 2000 dollars per child.

To maximize the CTC I believe the threshold was around 70k household income? It scales up and then levels up and then scales down.

Unlike traditional welfare it actually rewards those who are in the workforce, while still giving some benefit to low income people who probably don’t pay much or anything in taxes anyway, but still have withholdings.

Actually tax credits are a holdover from Clinton/Obama neoliberalism. The CTC championed by Mitt Romney of all people.

The devil is in the details, but some credits are refundable.

What are the details, if I can ask...

So wait, it's not only a tax cut, it's a layout as well.

The smart right has always been in favour of negative tax credits but INSTEAD of other forms of welfare, not in addition of course.

"The sum makes the total" as Italian farmers used to say

I was responding to post that said it was refreshing to see a politician actually answer questions and not deflect.

I was not saying she’s the only one to do it - just that she does it too and to watch that interview and think she’s not deflecting when the interviewer on multiple occasions had to ask her the same question 3 times is insane.

I’m a fan of tax cuts, but not tax cuts or credits for doing certain things, like having a kid, buying a house for the 1st time or because you work for tips. Why favor people for doing those things.

Well the argument for cutting taxes is generally that it’s supposed to help stimulate the economy by letting people spend more money. But a child tax credit is a really good thing because it allows at least two people to benefit with one policy, while also investing early on in the future of society, which should altogether have the effect of creating a better society.

Furthermore by attaching it to taxes, we’re hopefully not creating perverse incentives to stay on welfare.

For homebuying, yeah, not gonna defend that one since I despise home owners and don’t want to create more (half joking).

I agree with you on all this. If we are going to incentivize having kids, which we likely should continue going, then tax credits is a decent way to do so.

The handouts to real estate related companies and places whose employees rely on tips is terrible though.

Just depends on how the law is written.

Regular credits - Figure out your tax. Adjust tax owed by applying the credit up to amount of tax. Tax is $1,000. Credit is $5,000. Can only use $1,000 of the credit. Net tax is $0.

Refundable credit - Figure out your tax. Adjust tax owed by applying the entire credit amount. Tax is $1,000. Credit is $5,000. Can use all of $5,000 of the credit. Net tax is a refund of $4,000.

Other restrictions may apply such as lowering the credit amount the higher the income or being subject to ATM.

Ok so the regular would be a tax cut, the refundable would be a cut for a portion, welfare for the other portion

The mushy middle isn't popular with voters, most of whom are looking for a consistent and coherent action plan executed by a confident and competent leader. Flipping towards the middle is a harm mitigation strategy. They are trying to make her like Obama in some ways but they haven't seemed to have learned the lesson of Obama which is to promise popular policies and then, once you're in office, totally abandon those promises as people take a break from politics for awhile. The democrats are making the same mistake Trump made with picking Vance which is hubris.

But she isn't the politician Obama is and maybe they can't get her to finesse the public like Obama could. Maybe she can't keep it separate in her mind what are the real policies and what do we tell the public. I mean that answer about day 1 focusing on "not being Donald Trump" was one of the all time dumbest answers to that question I've ever heard. And they know that's going to be a question. It's a question every year. And this is the answer they've crafted? She is not a competent politician. It is by no means goodbye to Trump as of now.

I'm curious as to how people would, as the interviewer, follow up to Kamala's saying her day one agenda item is to focus on not being Donald Trump.

Mine would be "Really? Does it take focus to mentally convince yourself that you aren't Donald Trump? I think most people know who they are. Do you not know who you are?"

Or if I was being more serious "Do you think it's risky to define yourself only through negation of Trump? I mean...everyone besides Trump is not Trump. You are basically saying you are no one in particular."

This ^^^^^ is some special kind of thinking.

Agreed

It's a good answer in the sense that Tons of people will be coming out to vote for pretty much anything that is not-trump. And he created that all by himself. One of the biggest themes of the last year or so has been that people hated Both choices. And now there's a viable option that isn't one of them. Seems pretty clear cut as something worth reminding people.

No one outside them really cares about what the conservative base thinks about it. Because they will moan about anything.
And there's no need to waste any thought on biden--he's pretty much out of the picture too.

I think pools are showing that Kamala's head on a stick not being Donald Trump is pretty effective. Not saying she's a great politician or that she'll win. I don't have a strong stance on either.

But being not-Trump is a strong sell point.

I might vote Kamala for little other reason than she isn't Trump, fwiw. I might write in Barry Bonds. Not sure, yet.

The idea that the average person is looking for a coherent and consistent action plan is so alien to me as someone who has followed politics for a while. You even said it yourself, after the election is over, people just completely tune out of politics (traditionally). I think you are trying so hard to undermine Kamala you are being self-contradictory.

I believe you , but I think you would end up doing exactly the same with literally any other republican candidate.

Or at the very least, I am absolutely sure any candidate who would declare he would pick judges under the recommendation of the federalist society, you would oppose on full and vote the worst human being possible over them if he was the Democratic candidate.

Which is absolutely fine as a voting strategy, unless you want to deny it and claim you are doing it because "trump".

You would vote for a pedo serial killer democrat over any republican candidate, just admit it. No shame

I've never voted for a major party candidate for president, so I'm not entirely sure I'll start now.

I know it's simple to pigeonhole everyone who disagrees with you but I'm not who your mind thinks I am.