[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still think that AQ did 9/11 you should be in adult day care.
None of that is relevant. Sklansky thought a high level lab was there randomly. It wasn't, so he did not do the math properly.
If there was work, it would compare the probability that the virus came from the nearby lab if there was no knowledge of the doctor's opinion, to the probability that it came from some lab of unknown distance given the opinion of doctors who only looked at the virus. It seemed pretty obvious that the first number was bigger. If the lab was not placed randomly but instead was where lots of germs were floating around, then that's an extra pi
My understanding of the expert opinion is the virus is too different from the known coronaviruses they had. So you can't leak what you don't have. Maybe they are secretly miles ahead of the open virology community and took a known virus and turned into COVID19 or they were secretly experimenting on different coronaviruses. But that's the main reason why a lab leak was a big dog even before the wet market was known as a common connection for early cases more than the lab.
Your standards of evidence are "KSM got a plea deal, so Al Qaida didn't do 9/11, whoop whoop I was right"? Lol you. Based on that alone, I suspect the rest of your claims about what was proven or made up are total bullshit without even looking into it.
It's not proof I was right, but how easy would it be to make me look totally stupid by merely producing some evidence that justifies accusing AQ and, by the way, directing trillions into certain hands and curtailing civil liberties on top. It's not like I'm not exposing myself to contradiction. Moreover, when people go against the prevailing opinion and are wrong...it's like you are the biggest fool in the world. You can reserve judgement on the whole truth of the matter but you gotta give me a little credit or else you have no integrity. Like, come on, it's looking like I'm right. In what universe does KSM get a plea deal and AQ did this?
What are you talking about? The "pilots" trained at the airport on Venice, Florida only learning to take off but not land and left all kinds of tracks.
You don't know who those people are. And they left no trace of planning the attacks. Their apartments were obviously scoured along with all their personal belongings and their was nothing.
It's not proof I was right, but how easy would it be to make me look totally stupid by merely producing some evidence that justifies accusing AQ and, by the way, directing trillions into certain hands and curtailing civil liberties on top. It's not like I'm not exposing myself to contradiction. Moreover, when people go against the prevailing opinion and are wrong...it's like you are the biggest fool in the world. You can reserve judgement o
The plea deal was to life in prison, you're acting like he got probation or something. This is pretty standard in death penalty cases. In any case, the plea deal has been revoked, so even in your conspiracy addled brain you must be able to realise that this means that there is no plea deal, so it no longer offers whatever support you thought it offered or your claims.
You don't know who those people are. And they left no trace of planning the attacks. Their apartments were obviously scoured along with all their personal belongings and their was nothing.
Pretty easy to claim there was no evidence when you straight up lie like this and pretend that it doesn't exist. So, according to you, the government lied about e.g. Mohammad Atta being an Al Qaida operative, right? Or lied about him being one of the hijackers? What is your actual claim here?
lol at people claiming wuhan is where sars stuff originates
it's a 12 hour drive between wuhan and the region where those things historically originate
this may help demonstrate the size of the country
wuhan is where poland is and sars comes from sicily and greece
also, hard lol at something like a lab being geographically located by the central government for strategic purposes
china is incredibly tribal and corrupt, a far more likely outcome is someone in control of the budget was probably from wuhan originally and by placing the lab there he could pay 3x market value for the plot and get back 20% as a kickback, then install his nephew as head of the lab while employing his childhood friend to do the construction work
this has been something i have thought about a lot because it's just incredibly stupid to put a lab in wuhan for a multitude a reasons, ranging from the fact it's not a noted a tech/science hub like some other big cities where recruiting top level employees would be easier, it's not anywhere remotely close to what they are studying (especially since they worked heavily with bats from guangdong), and wuhan is a major population center and logistics hub - it's the "chicago of china" in the sense that if you ever have a layover either on a flight or train ride in china, it's probably in wuhan so it's perhaps the worst possible location to house a lab that is studying dangerous infectious diseases in the entire country
The plea deal was to life in prison, you're acting like he got probation or something. This is pretty standard in death penalty cases. In any case, the plea deal has been revoked, so even in your conspiracy addled brain you must be able to realise that this means that there is no plea deal, so it no longer offers whatever support you thought it offered or your claims.
Ted Kaczyinski got the same deal. But I suppose that's just evidence he wasn't really the unabomber.
When you say "SARS" are you referring to the 2002 outbreak in Guangdong province, the 2010 outbreak in Yunnan province or the 2019 outbreak in Wuhan province?
(the fact that these kinds of outbreaks happen all over China should throw a little cold water on some of this kneejerk conspiracy peddling)
Ted Kaczyinski got the same deal. But I suppose that's just evidence he wasn't really the unabomber.
Presumably this same government that fabricated all this evidence to frame Al Qaida for the 9/11 attacks is now magically unable to produce it in court. Oh wait, there was no evidence, Bush just said "Al Qaida done it" and everyone said "oh OK, thanks George, now we know". And KSM's lawyers are just advising their client to take life in supermax even though there is no case against him, because they're in on it too. In fact, pretty much half the country is in on it in some way shape or form with all these cover-ups by now.
That's about the size of it, right Deuces? You want me to "give you credit" for this broke-brain theory? I still want to know who this professor is who told you you were good at logic, and in which mental institution he now resides.
The plea deal was to life in prison, you're acting like he got probation or something. This is pretty standard in death penalty cases. In any case, the plea deal has been revoked, so even in your conspiracy addled brain you must be able to realise that this means that there is no plea deal, so it no longer offers whatever support you thought it offered or your claims.
Thanks for saying this and being, albeit inadvertently, honest about you living outside of reality in order to be a good oligarchic subject. Not only did this guy kill thousands of people, many of whom were rich white people, but he was the cause behind a massive reorganization of society around the threat he enacted. That's the story anyway. And he gets a plea deal? This is a crisis. You might not recognize it right now, but things like this have a way of bubbling up and causing fissures. Those people who had family die in the attacks are not going to just lie down and take this and they will get more political support over time. Eventually someone will use this to start tearing away at the fibers to exploit the political opportunity it presents, probably a Trump like figure but who has brains.
Your thinking that a plea makes any sense with actual guilt says everything about you that relevant to this discussion.
Thanks for saying this and being, albeit inadvertently, honest about you living outside of reality in order to be a good oligarchic subject. Not only did this guy kill thousands of people, many of whom were rich white people, but he was the cause behind a massive reorganization of society around the threat he enacted. That's the story anyway. And he gets a plea deal? This is a crisis. You might not recognize it right now, but things like th
OK Deuces, so you have confirmed it all by thinking about it and your reasoning makes sense in your broken brain. Funny, everyone else has to provide actual evidence for their claims, whereas your so-called evidence is "look, it doesn't make sense to me". Logical genius indeed.
Anyway, as you might have noticed, plenty of people didn't like the idea of a plea deal for largely the reasons you articulated above, so it was revoked. There is no plea deal. I guess this development does not factor into your genius level analysis, probably because it's a rather inconvenient fact for the nonsense you keep spewing predicated on there being a plea deal, so we'll just ignore it, right?
I'm not reading all of this but please confirm for me that deuces thinks <911 conspiracy> is probably true because ksm got a plea deal and ksm does not have a plea deal?
And he calls everyone else foolish for believing obvious nonsense?
lol
I'm not reading all of this but please confirm for me that deuces thinks <911 conspiracy> is probably true because ksm got a plea deal and ksm does not have a plea deal?
And he calls everyone else foolish for believing obvious nonsense?
lol
That is correct. He claims that there is no evidence Al Qaida was involved, and he has proved this claim by virtue of the fact that KSM got a plea deal (which, as you quite perspicaciously pointed out, he no longer has). You would understand if you were a genius logician like Deuces.
There is also some high school level physics that makes it clear but can't be explained in a few lines for some reason.
There is also some high school level physics that makes it clear but can't be explained in a few lines for some reason.
Well to be fair, Deuces is incapable of explaining anything in a few lines. It would take him at least 3 paragraphs of bloviating about the oligarchy to tell you what time it is. "Oh, you believe in time? Lol you, sheeple. Watches are a capitalist excess and time itself is an elitist construct. Did you even know that the time is different in New York and Timbuktu, ignoramus? My professor told me I know all about time."
It would take him at least 3 paragraphs of bloviating about the oligarchy to tell you what time it is. "Oh, you believe in time? Lol you, sheeple. Watches are a capitalist excess and time itself is an elitist construct. "
Would you believe me if I told you I knew that some smartass who had read a pop science article on quantum mechanics would chip in with "well, akshually..."?
Anyway, as you might have noticed, plenty of people didn't like the idea of a plea deal for largely the reasons you articulated above, so it was revoked. There is no plea deal. I guess this development does not factor into your genius level analysis, probably because it's a rather inconvenient fact for the nonsense you keep spewing predicated on there being a plea deal, so we'll just ignore it, right?
The revocation by a political appointee has no bearing on what the offer has already revealed.
Some years ago the families of the victims pressed and pressed for the release of information which was thought, apparently by all parties, to implicate the Saudis royals in the attacks. In response, the Saudis threatened to pull their foreign investments in the U.S. These investments are very large, to put it lightly, and their withdrawal could have a significant economic impact.
So don't think that this whole issue of false accusations against AQ for 911 is meaningless. This is a development which can have consequences because if there were state or state affiliated actors behind this then this does further open the opportunity for them to be exposed. And if they are exposed, and the lie of the official narrative crumbles, a lot of our institutions could crumble with it, especially in the context of the frustration and anger being generated by the ongoing class warfare.
Ted Kaczynski had a very good insanity case. Are you in that chess thread? I know you can think ahead better than this.
Dafuq this have to do with the chess thread? Is this another one of your genius level analogies - "chess requires thinking, this requires thinking, ergo they are similar things"?
The revocation by a political appointee has no bearing on what the offer has already revealed.
Some years ago the families of the victims pressed and pressed for the release of information which was thought, apparently by all parties, to implicate the Saudis royals in the attacks. In response, the Saudis threatened to pull their foreign investments in the U.S. These investments are very large, to put it lightly, and their withdrawal could ha
Saudi royals in the mix now. I can't follow along with your scatterbrained thought process and whatever links between your various theories you see as obvious and are leaving as implied.
If you want to make some point about why you think Al Qaida didn't do it, you'll have to make it a lot more clearly than this. Declarative statements such as "x has no bearing on y" also aren't cutting it without some reasoning to back them up. Oh, and I don't care whether you think the false accusations matter or not, only that you think they are false, so I have no idea why you devoted more than half your response to that.
If this is the best you can do, nobody in their right mind has ever told you that you're good at logic or argumentation. You made that up.
Deuces probably posts on some conspiratard forum where they are impressed by his endless bloviating and use of five dollar words to convey five cent ideas, so interacting with people who can cut through his bullshit in 10 seconds flat is a bit of a shock to the system for him.
Any factually correct piece of evidence for a conspiracy theory (including identifying a motive) increases the chances it is true. Even the ridiculous ones like we didn't land on the moon or that Trump was behind his own assassination attempt. The problem is that the conspiracy theorists don't apply Bayes Theorem. If, without that evidence, the theory was a million to one shot, the evidence could very well simply turn it into a thousand to
Thoughts on this one that I posted in other news. I'm wondering how much your take will match with mine:
I apologise in advance
British tech tycoon Mike Lynch and his 18-year-old daughter are among the six people missing after a luxury yacht sank off the coast of the Italian island of Sicily in the early hours of Monday morning.
The 56m (183ft) vessel was carrying 22 people including British, American and Canadian nationals. Fifteen people were rescued, including a one-year-old British girl, and authorities are continuing their search into the night.
Mr Lynch, known by some as "the British Bill Gates", co-founded software company Autonomy, which was later bought by tech giant Hewlett-Packard for $11bn (£8.6bn).
Mr Lynch sold his company Autonomy to American computing giant Hewlett-Packard (HP) in 2011 for $11bn (£8.6bn).
But an intense legal battle following the high-profile acquisition loomed over Mr Lynch for over a decade. He was acquitted in the US in June on multiple fraud charges, for which he had been facing two decades in jail.
Nothing suspicious is being reported afaik
The sinking of the yacht came on the same day that Mr Lynch's co-defendant in the fraud case, Stephen Chamberlain, was confirmed by his lawyer as having died after being hit by a car in Cambridgeshire on Saturday.
wtf? Will Baysian analysis help or has that ship already sunk?
