Vice-President Kamala Harris

As a day one agenda item, focus on not being Trump? That was a faceplant of an answer. She could have elaborated on specific ways she would be different than Trump, even if it was vague like mentions of civility, stability, or even law and order. She just sucks tho.

This is an area where I used to underestimate Americans. Americans can be easily fooled by some forward affirmative bs. But you have to give them something tangible. Even Biden was like look nothing is fundamentally going to change and he represented a return to the usual and expected failings of the country, including a what passes for a rational response to Covid which contrasted with Trump's irresponsible denialism favorably.

Negation of the other, in this case Trump, might juice up the partisans a little but it does nothing for the progressives or the swing voters.

I think that for anyone other than the cult, this was understood.

trump spent his literal first day in office at Langley telling the cia that they were the greatest of all Americans ever--the tip of the spear. He then went on to let them know he was officially there to tell them they had his full official blessing to go do whatever the hell they want--off the leash of obama iirc--starting now.

So ya, not-trump seems satisfactory enough thru that lens.

Well it was already established that her father was a prominent Marxist economist, so this isn't particularly surprising.

I just caught you in 4k. I’m so curious Luciom, did you attempt to fact check this or did you just buy this hook line and sinker because it conforms to your prior biases?

This is so embarrassing you would fall for such a lazy piece of fake news.

No I won't fact check this because it's irrelevant.

She almost certainly had Marxist tendencies when young regardless of this as I wrote. It won't change votes, it's already a known piece of information about her. Would be a waste of time to fact check and it won't be a claim I'll use to prove anything either way.

Her father being an enemy of the core values of western societies didn't move votes so why should this?

lol so you don't actually care about the truth you just care about whether stuff will move votes. and you continue to imply it's true that she's a communist. I really thought that you were different and could be fair but I guess I was wrong. all those hard fact checks against democrats on this forum is just because you think it's effective, not because you care about people representing the truth.

I care about the truth for stuff that matters, can't waste my time fact checking everything.

And I didn't write it was true, i wrote it wasn't surprising.

That the right tries to attack her on Marxism isn't surprising at all.

And if her campaign is good this won't be even answered or discussed, she loses from any association with marxism even if it is to disprove that claim. Which I suppose is why someone went and made this probable fake.

If it was true--why would they need to make up fake stuff?

Obviously I despise the Democratic party. They are just spokespeople, just shills there to enrich themselves by doing the bidding of amoral oligarchs and corporations. And if that means killing any number of innocent people they have no qualms doing it whatsoever. They are monsters, and those of you who support them should be so ashamed that you shouldn't even properly wake up tomorrow and take in the world. You should be so ashamed that your body shuts down your sensory processing that let's you know that something is viewing the world and it is you. It's not merely that you should be too ashamed to look in the mirror.; you should be too ashamed to acknowledge your own existence. Such cowards as you deserve the fate of the subject of the Metallica video One. Support for Harris is complicity in genocide.

That said...damn...the Republican refrain of Democrats being Marxist shows, without a doubt, which is by far the dumber party. The Democrats wanted to take Bernie into a bathroom stall at the 2016 convention and drown him in a toilet. And Bernie is no Marxist, just a new deal democrat. The democrats are as capitalists as it gets. They accept any amount of unspeakable human suffering so that capitalism can prosper (as long as they get the outsized piece). It's the Republicans who want to restrict capitalism on the heels of whatever latest moral outrage. The refrain shows not a one of them has ever read the ideas which are supposedly so deadly (in view of the Repubs) that to prevent their implementation the Repubs would burn down the world.

Reading this post you would think that modern capitalism is some kind of demonic death cult instead of the most prosperous system in human history. You would also think that Marxism is somehow a bastion of freedom instead of producing some of the most disturbingly despotic and failed countries in human history.

Liberalism gives you the ability to criticize it on a free platform. In China, they ban platforms that are critical of them. But yeah, it's the liberal capitalists that are evil and want everyone to suffer. It's ironic because where has America historically gone to get cheap labor? Oh yeah, it's China lol

Well yes tankies think the problems of humanity are caused by capitalism. All the implementations of marxism aren't true communism. And so on.

Funny part isn't that they are 100% wrong on everything, they aren't, in the sense that of course some capitalism forces are favourable to war for example (others aren't, and they never acknowledge the internal infight among different capital owners, but i digress).

It's that being in favor of war because it benefits you happens even without capitalism, it happens a lot, in all of history, so it's completly incomprehensible why they want to claim it happens because of capitalism. Same with "greed" and anything else negative they attribute to capitalism.

They just hate human nature and think that with totalitarian control of society, human nature can be changed, so they want to try to achieve that.

I completely agree capitalist countries are not perfect, of course that’s why I say that it is the best we have so far, not that it’s perfect. And yes, there are absolutely things to criticize about the US and Europe. Even the establishment of the US and a lot of its history sees horrible injustice.

The problem is that the cure can’t be worse than the disease. And that’s oftentimes what they propose because to them there are no bad tactics against capitalists, “collaborators”, and “class traitors”.

Lol, Deuces is a conspiracy nut. He's a space cadet. Cuckoo for cocoa puffs. I approach his posts as "for entertainment purposes only".

We are not "perfect" according to an idea of humanity that denies human nature as it is. Which is an attempt that started something like 2500 years ago more or less.

If you go with "pagan" morality system you realize you can simply be what you are without living in a permanent feeling of imperfection and shame, which is very well described in the deeply immoral an antihuman story narrated about the garden of Eden.

The idea we might be perfect if not because we suck is the narrative that enabled the horrors of the church, and lately the horror of marxism, an ideology that co-opted a ton of what christianity is actually about, ie the idea humans are wretched creatures that only "holy men" can govern upon by applying the word of god.

Which makes sense if you are attempting to be one of the holy men (or member of the politburo, the same thing).

Instead we should accept that violence (even extreme violence), greed (even extreme greed) , rage, hatred, and so on have their places in human lives and they aren't inherently "bad" morally, rather have to be directed properly.

And that stuff which some people could consider "unjust" happens because of human nature and we should accept that, without hating ourselves, which NEVER helps achieving anything at all.

Marxism didn't co-opt Christianity. Christ was a pretty egalitarian guy, according to legend.

As for curbing human nature, that's called having a civilization. If you're against that, fine, but most people want to have a society and you're not gonna change that.

The romans had a society, far more advanced that anything else the world had seen till that moment, and they did it without denying human nature at all. The channeled it , controlled it properly.

But the games still had people dying in them for the pleasure of the public, killing the enemy (foreign or domestic) was considered a moral good, greed abundance and physical pleasure (to a point) were considered moral good, hierarchical inequality based on a combination of personal and family bloodline talent was the organizing principle of society and so on.

They accepted human nature.

Marxism did co opt christianity exactly because christ was an hyper-egalitarian revolutionary cult leader which is what Lenin tried (unfortunately for us, somewhat succesfully) to emulate.

Yes that is precisely what I think.

Slavery was prosperous, for some. Should we reinstitute it more quickly than we are? Should we decide how we live based on which system generates the most profit? I think that is a profoundly stupid rationale. The fact that you think any sound path can lead to ethnic genocide does indicate cult-like thinking on your part, that your in-born, humane instincts have been overridden by the passionate greed of others via manipulation.

This is a huge topic, but one way to see through the bs is to try to explain the extraordinary means, including expenditure of unholy amounts of treasure and lives, capitalists have undertaken to make sure alternatives to capitalism never have a chance to prosper. If alternatives are so doomed to failure then why would it be necessary to continually unleash Hell on them to make sure?

Marxism is more of a critique of capitalism than a normative prescription, FYI.

It depends on how back in history you go. If you go back a few generations you run into slavery as a cheap source of labor in America. More recently there has been a rash of immigrant children being exploited into dangerous working conditions like meat processing plants. Chinese labor might be cheaper but if you are going to call them communist then you have to give a communist country credit for producing growth at a rate never before seen in history ANIEC. Whether China is communist is a controversial subject on the Left.

It's not really that liberal capitalists want everyone to suffer, although some of them certainly are totally sadistic psychopaths. It's that if it happens to happen in the service of capital then it's fine as long as it's not them suffering. Do you think Kamal Harris is doubled over with grief over at all the murdered children in Gaza? I don't get that sense at all. These are just children who didn't choose where they were born and who have never left Gaza, who never picked up a weapon against their oppressors. But they are being intentionally head shot and blown up under the diplomatic cover of this administration and with weapons provided by this administration. You don't see that there is anything fundamentally wrong with someone like Harris? These are the types of "leaders" capitalism promotes. She is in a position to stop mass human atrocities by simply not actively enabling them. But she would rather just have some wine with her girlfriends and cackle away at the latest swamp gossip.

You talking about 9/11? You're the conspiracy nut there. I'm agnostic. You believe cave dwellers mass infiltrated the country...etc. I don't know who did it. You believe you know who did it while you have been exposed as being totally unfamiliar with any related evidence. Because you can't point to evidence for anything you believe on the matter that makes you a tool, literally a tool. Your thinking anyone who requires evidence is cuckoo is also you being a tool.

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Komrade

Are you posting this because you think it is funny or because you think it is possibly true?

1) funny
2) she is a communist

I was just warning others about you since you escaped containment. Keep the crazy in the 9/11 thread bro, I'll kick your ass from here to next Sunday in there.

So do you think that document is legitimate or not?