[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still think that AQ did 9/11 you should be in adult day care.
Actually I believe I said it's not proof on the KSM claim. But I don't want to explain why because you have already identified yourself as someone who doesn't understand the difficulty of proving a negative and that concept would be used in the explanation.
Which negative are you attempting to prove?
The prosecution has no valid and sufficient evidence that KSM did it or else he would have been executed a long time ago. But that doesn't necessarily mean there is no evidence KSM did it.
We contrived a new world view in which our country, even the entire West, was in a civilizational, existential struggle with Jihadis Islam based on our belief that AQ did 9/11. We have the man we said was the mastermind of this world changing plot in our custody. Now we are saying we have no evidence to back up our claims upon which we've ravaged a region killing millions, transferred unfathomable amounts of money to war makers, and withdrew civil rights from our own people which had been centuries in the making.
Besides what you think of me, or what you think happened on 9/11, this should still be very troubling especially in light of no other compelling evidence against the accused being available. Of course that assumes you have some kind of autonomous will of your own, an assumption for which maybe I should seek some evidence.
Obviously.
The prosecution has no valid and sufficient evidence that KSM did it or else he would have been executed a long time ago. But that doesn't necessarily mean there is no evidence KSM did it.
We contrived a new world view in which our country, even the entire West, was in a civilizational, existential struggle with Jihadis Islam based on our belief that AQ did 9/11. We have the man we said was the mastermind of this world changing plot in our c
KSM did what? Planned it? Are you acknowledging that the hijackers were Al Qaida operatives or not?
@Deuces, if you are claiming that there is no evidence that the hijackers were Al Qaida operatives, how do you explain the evidence against, e.g. Mohammad Atta? Are you saying he wasn't Al Qaida?
@Deuces, if you are claiming that there is no evidence that the hijackers were Al Qaida operatives, how do you explain the evidence against, e.g. Mohammad Atta? Are you saying he wasn't Al Qaida?
They might have actually believed that they were actually training for an attack but that's going to be about as far as they got.
They might have actually believed that they were actually training for an attack but that's going to be about as far as they got.
I don't understand. Are you saying that Mohamed Atta was not aboard flight 11? If so, did someone else check in under his name? You're going to need to explain a bit more here.
I don't recall ever seeing any security footage of any alleged hijackers at any airports. Are you aware of some?
Let's not do the answering a question with a question thing. The answer to my question is that you are saying MA was not aboard Flight 11, correct?
As Gorgonian pointed out upthread, if your theory depends on my answers to your questions, it's not a very good theory. So either you should be able to put forward your theory without asking me any questions, or you don't have one.
Let's not do the answering a question with a question thing. The answer to my question is that you are saying MA was not aboard Flight 11, correct?
As Gorgonian pointed out upthread, if your theory depends on my answers to your questions, it's not a very good theory. So either you should be able to put forward your theory without asking me any questions, or you don't have one.
I thought we were just talking. You wanted to know if Atta was on the plane and I'm asking you to show that he was.
Do you think they had surveillance cameras in airports way back in 2001?
I thought we were just talking. You wanted to know if Atta was on the plane and I'm asking you to show that he was.
Do you think they had surveillance cameras in airports way back in 2001?
I don't know what the evidence is. Presumably he flew using his own identity, so at the very least a man calling himself Mohamed Atta flew on Flight 11 in seat 8D. He was also captured on video boarding an earlier connecting flight from Maine. A man using the same identity was a known member of Al Qaida and took flight simulator courses on how to fly the same or a similar plane. The plane was then hijacked and flown into the World Trade Centre. If you're suggesting someone else did it, you're going to have to explain who and what a known terrorist who was taking flight sim training was doing on the same flight. Same for the other flights and hijackers.
https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2021/09/9-...
Thread of random 911 conspiracy related stuff with some atta references from aanigirfan website. For those interested in conspiracy stuff, this blog is a literal treasure trove of links and articles covering all the good stuff going back years.
@Luckbox, here is what AI tells me, no idea if it's accurate or not.
Prior to the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks, the use of security cameras in the pre-boarding and boarding areas of major American airports was not universal. While some larger airports did have some security camera coverage in these areas, the implementation was inconsistent across the airport system.
The terrorist attacks of 9/11 served as a major catalyst for increased security measures at airports, including the widespread deployment of security cameras throughout terminals and boarding areas. In the years following 9/11, the federal government worked to mandate more comprehensive camera surveillance as part of broader airport security upgrades.
So in summary, while some major airports may have had limited security camera coverage in pre-/boarding areas before 9/11, it was not a universal requirement or practice across the US airport system at that time. The 9/11 attacks led to a significant security overhaul that included the expanded use of surveillance cameras.
If he flew in from Maine and connected to another domestic flight, presumably he just stayed in an area where there were no cameras. He was captured on camera in Maine, and other hijackers were captured on camera elsewhere.
Here is some surveillance footage of the hijackers who boarded flight 77, for example.
@Deuces, if you are claiming that there is no evidence that the hijackers were Al Qaida operatives, how do you explain the evidence against, e.g. Mohammad Atta? Are you saying he wasn't Al Qaida?
Is this the evidence you find compelling?
On 6 June 2002, ABC's World News Tonight broadcast an interview with Johnelle Bryant, former loan officer at the U.S. Department of Agriculture in south Florida, who told about her encounter with Mohamed Atta. This encounter took place "around the third week of April to the third week of May of 2000", before Atta's official entry date into the United States (see below). According to Bryant, Atta wanted to finance the purchase of a crop-duster. "He wanted to finance a twin-engine, six-passenger aircraft and remove the seats," Bryant told ABC's World News Tonight. He insisted that she write his name as ATTA, that he originally was from Egypt but had moved to Afghanistan, that he was an engineer and that his dream was to go to a flight school. He asked about the Pentagon and the White House. He said he wanted to visit the World Trade Center and asked Bryant about the security there. He mentioned Al Qaeda and said the organization "could use memberships from Americans". He mentioned Osama bin Laden and said "this man would someday be known as the world's greatest leader."
Well I'm convinced. Yeah I mean when you intend to ram a building with a plane you want to know about the security, by which Atta must of meant the anti aircraft measures of the office buildings, first and foremost. You want to ask U.S. Agriculture about the gun turrets and whatnot, so you can set the counter measures on the Boeing. And you want to get that information right from a U.S. government loan officer in South Florida. Story checks out. Reading this is chilling, like watching a mastermind killer ply their craft.
Is this the evidence you find compelling?
Well I'm convinced. Yeah I mean when you intend to ram a building with a plane you want to know about the security, by which Atta must of meant the anti aircraft measures of the office buildings, first and foremost. You want to ask U.S. Agriculture about the gun turrets and whatnot, so you can set the counter measures on the Boeing. And you want to get that information right from a U.S. government lo
Sigh, we're going to have to do this like you're five. I've asked you the following 3 times now:
- Was Mohamed Atta on flight 11?
- Was Mohamed Atta an Al Qaida operative?
These are the questions you were asked, not anything about gun turrets or whatever you're bloviating about now. You can expand on your answers if you wish, but make sure to answer the questions, and try to not go off on a complete tangent about totally irrelevant bullshit again.
Deuces is right about the election tampering and the US false flags like Iraq, or Vietnam etc
Havana syndrome is real bro. Seriously. It’s scary af.
Deuces is right about the election tampering and the US false flags like Iraq, or Vietnam etc
Havana syndrome is real bro. Seriously. It’s scary af.
I mean, why didn't you speak up earlier? Now that you've vouched for him, I'm sold.
Although, I have to consider the possibility that you guys are colluding. You certainly seem to have learnt reading comprehension from each other.
Simple question
Do you believe the WMDs in Iraq were a false flag operation?
Do you believe the Gulf of Tonking was a false flag?
Simple question
Do you believe the WMDs in Iraq were a false flag operation?
Do you believe the Gulf of Tonking was a false flag?
WMDs - no, that was just a lie. As far as I am aware no WMDs attributed to Iraq were used or found, so they can't be a false flag. You sure you know what "false flag" means?
No idea re: Gulf of Tonkin, don't know what it is. Let's say for argument's sake that whatever it is was a false flag operation. How's that relevant to the discussion of 9/11? I'm obviously not disputing that false flag operations are a real thing that exist. Are you suggesting that the mere historical existence of false flag operations implies that 9/11 was a false flag operation?
ksm wasn't on the planes!
Doctors assigned to get to the bottom of it said there was no underlying illness. This was printed in the NYT. I don't know if I made posts previous saying it was bs. So you don't have to take my word that I called it but know that Havana Syndrome is fake news.
engineers assigned to get to the bottom of twin towers collapse said the towers collapsed due to structural damage from jet fuel fire. this was printed in the NYT. you don't have to take my word for it but know that the thermite conspiracy is fake news
