Vice-President Kamala Harris
Probably requires her own thread at this moment, lock/delete etc if someone else wins the nom
Based on this post, we would have to assume that you're fine with a man pulling you into a dressing room, undressing you and forcefully having sex with you even if you tried to stop him.
Now you you might feel angry about me saying this, perhaps even insulted. You might want to protest that it is not up to me to make that conclusion on your behalf.
If so, it has started to dawn on you what this is about.
rickroll,
If that encounter occurred exactly as you speculate that it did, I would still feel comfortable describing Trump's behavior as completely bonkers.
frankly, we all know that men who are aggressive and push for things will get them whereas the passive man does not, this is 10x more true in random hookups and one night stands
in fact, many women expect that of men, to the point where they will not engage with men who are not forceful, many take the minnesotan approach of only accepting on the 3rd offer
The bolded strikes me as antiquated at the very best. Would the person you describe even be recognizable to the average college-aged woman? I am skeptical.
Reactionary Rickroll advocating for yet another bit of antiquated (rococo is right) social analysis; color me shocked.
in fact, many women expect that of men
lol
Once again, I would give up my left arm if prominent Democratic politicians were 1/10th as "Communist" as right-wingers proclaim them to be.
Kamala Harris no longer supports a federal job guarantee, i.e., the same thing that was favored by FDR and many typical Democrats/libs throughout the 20th century. Sure, she spoke in favor of it back in 2020, but now it's no longer politically expedient.
Most politicians are much less, well, political than most think. They just want continual and ever-increasing power and wealth.
I long to live in a society in which everybody lives in (guaranteed) communal housing of some sort (individual homes are ok as long as the land is collectively controlled and the resident doesn't accrue private value from the land and its use); in which private land ownership is effectively banned. Private land is theft.
Kamala Harris (and the interests that fund her) would fight such a proposal with all her might. Quite the commie, that one...
Once again, I would give up my left arm if prominent Democratic politicians were 1/10th as "Communist" as right-wingers proclaim them to be.
I am unsurprised that you feel that way. Actual communists are one group that is unlikely to be fooled by attempts to characterize the Democratic party as communist.
I long to live in a society in which everybody lives in (guaranteed) communal housing of some sort (individual homes are ok as long as the land is collectively controlled and the resident doesn't accrue private value from the land and its use); in which private land ownership is effectively banned. Private land is theft.
Excellent idea, that way there will be plenty of pastures for the unicorns to graze and roam free.
Based on this post, we would have to assume that you're fine with a man pulling you into a dressing room, undressing you and forcefully having sex with you even if you tried to stop him.
Now you you might feel angry about me saying this, perhaps even insulted. You might want to protest that it is not up to me to make that conclusion on your behalf.
If so, it has started to dawn on you what this is about.
yes there was clearly some flirtation going on, you don't just bump into a man and start helping him shop without that element going on
mind you he was still a well known celebrity back then so she surely knew who he was, especially being an NYC based gossip columnist
they then progress over to lingerie and in the midst of their conversation he says "why don't you try this on" "no you try it on" and she's like alright let's go into the changing room and do that
he then follows her into the changing room and she's not like "hey wtf are you doing" but instead she's laughing as he forces himself upon her
he then proceeds to have sex with her and she doesn't scream a single time which would have put an end to it all immediately but she is able to leave on her own, something where if he intended to pin her down and rape her would not have been possible
she also waits 14 years to talk about it, and even then, only in the context of making her book a best seller
i'm sorry but if this same exact story were told about biden then not a single one of you would have given it a second thought beyond "it's someone trying to get him"
rickroll,
If that encounter occurred exactly as you speculate that it did, I would still feel comfortable describing Trump's behavior as completely bonkers.
The bolded strikes me as antiquated at the very best. Would the person you describe even be recognizable to the average college-aged woman? I am skeptical.
first of all, she's an unreliable narrator but even by her own account they are clearly flirting, she even notes how handsome the man was, and she goes into the dressing room with on her own volition and she's ending it clearly in a lie, if the goal were to watch him put the underwear on over his own pants, why would they need to go to a changing room?
she may not have entered with the goal of sex, but most people while seducing a woman who agrees to go off into a private area for an absurd reason of trying on lingerie together is going to assume it's a sexual invitation
https://www.thecut.com/article/donald-tr...
There are two or three dainty boxes and a lacy see-through bodysuit of lilac gray on the counter. The man snatches the bodysuit up and says: “Go try this on!”
“You try it on,” I say, laughing. “It’s your color.”
“Try it on, come on,” he says, throwing it at me.
“It goes with your eyes,” I say, laughing and throwing it back.
“You’re in good shape,” he says, holding the filmy thing up against me. “I wanna see how this looks.”
“But it’s your size,” I say, laughing and trying to slap him back with one of the boxes on the counter.
“Come on,” he says, taking my arm. “Let’s put this on.”
This is gonna be hilarious, I’m saying to myself — and as I write this, I am staggered by my stupidity. As we head to the dressing rooms, I’m laughing aloud and saying in my mind: I’m gonna make him put this thing on over his pants!
The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.
I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me. It turns into a colossal struggle. I am wearing a pair of sturdy black patent-leather four-inch Barneys high heels, which puts my height around six-one, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand — for some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other — and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out and off and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room.
The whole episode lasts no more than three minutes. I do not believe he ejaculates. I don’t remember if any person or attendant is now in the lingerie department. I don’t remember if I run for the elevator or if I take the slow ride down on the escalator. As soon as I land on the main floor, I run through the store and out the door — I don’t recall which door — and find myself outside on Fifth Avenue.
she's literally laughing the entire time (definitely giving him mixed signals where he can ostensibly think continue to think she's into it) and it never goes to completion because she resists and leaves the room, had he been hellbent on raping her then there would not have been an escape
and mind you, this is her version of it and 14 years later and with everyone's own personal narrative, they are the protagonist and don't forget the name of the book is literally "hideous men"
let's take the subject of anal and even to a lesser extent bjs
it's not very common to find a female partner who is happy to engage in anal at all and they tend to naturally reduce the amount of bj initiatives over time like they have some sort nuclear half life
so it's something that if the man does not actively seek and pursue, it will not happen in most cases in the former and will dramatically decrease in frequency over time for the latter
it's kind of neat to mix things up from time to time so in order to obtain one must take proactive measures
if you are making out with a new partner for the first time in a non-obvious "we're going to bang soon and this is just the start" then the likelihood of it becoming a bj is not the greatest
however, a firm hand on the back of the head guiding it towards the crotch or gently moving their hand to your crotch will result in probably 95%+ success rate and 5% failure whereas not making that move you're leaving it up to fate and it's more of a 50/50 - you're not forcing the bj nor using threats of violence, the action is quite gentle, even in the moments of failure the girl will laugh it off and continue making out with you - but you're still taking a proactive measures which dramatically increase success rate
so while everything was consensual, there was definitely some physical coercion where although they may not have been planning on doing that but then felt pressured and went along with it anyway - while it may have started reluctantly, that did not stop this person from actively seeking out this person repeatedly in the future for more trysts going forward
likewise, unless the girl is european (god bless those girls), a simple "i wanna f you in the ass" sweet nothing whispered in her ear during coitus is usually not received very well and you'll get a "no i don't do that" or "no thanks" the vast majority of the time
however, if mid coitus you pull the reverse hawk tuah and spit on that thumb and jam it home to do the prep work for what's coming next ie you don't ask for permission but just assume it's granted, 4/5 times they go along with it and do something you'd never have gotten with just asking
to be clear, i have never forced myself upon anyone or anything like that, whenever i had that 1/5 partner still insist that was a no fly zone i'd then respect that decision and not re-visit it, but in my experience, if you are willing to push things you get a whole lot more than if you don't
likewise, if i'm flirting with a girl at a bar and we head into the bathroom together, i'm going to assume it's for sex, if she's physically resisting while laughing i'm going to also believe she's into it and the "resistance" is just part of her schtick, only when she actually pushes me aside and leaves the bathroom would i finally be in a "wtf just happened" state where i'm questioning why we went into the bathroom if not to bang
up until she actually leaves, the leadup to that mirrors many sexual encounters i've had with regular partners who get very turned on by men who are "forceful" and part of the fantasy is them offering slight resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_fanta...
as someone who's been in those exact situations above, it's never once not been relocating to a more private area for the express purposes of sex and thus i am very sympathetic to how he could have misread her intentions because in that exact same situation i too expect she's in there to bang and the initial pushaway is not a genuine pushback
much like the girl who asks for a back massage is a whole lot likelier to get one than a girl who just silently hopes the guy will figure out that she wants that and do it - despite that everyone knows everyone likes back massages, it's not often a natural "hey i'll start giving you one" thought for many people
first of all, she's an unreliable narrator but even by her own account they are clearly flirting, she even notes how handsome the man was, and she goes into the dressing room with on her own volition and she's ending it clearly in a lie, if the goal were to watch him put the underwear on over his own pants, why would they need to go to a changing room?
she may not have entered with the goal of sex, but most people while seducing a woman who
This isn't at all responsive to what I wrote. I wasn't commenting on her reliability as a narrator (although I would note that a jury apparently found her reliable). I was commenting on Trump's behavior assuming that your description of the encounter was 100% accurate.
Excellent idea, that way there will be plenty of pastures for the unicorns to graze and roam free.
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I'm not making a prediction. I'm describing a policy that would be at home within a legitimately Communist platform and illustrating the stark contrast between that and the things for which Kamala advocates.
Save up that sarcasm of yours for rickroll's "bitches be lying" screed.
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I'm not making a prediction. I'm describing a policy that would be at home within a legitimately Communist platform and illustrating the stark contrast between that and the things for which Kamala advocates.
Save up that sarcasm of yours for rickroll's "bitches be lying" screed.
I wasn't suggesting you were making a prediction, Tweedledee. I was implying that your idealistic world view is pie in the sky utopian.
I think his screed was more along the lines of "bitches be horny". Edit: or perhaps, more accurately, "bitches be amenable".
This whole world that rickroll is describing basically amounts to "hip hip hooray, if I do it this way, then the woman probably will reluctantly agree to something that really isn't her bag." It feels very juvenile.
This whole world that rickroll is describing basically amounts to "hip hip hooray, if I do it this way, then the woman probably will reluctantly agree to something that really isn't her bag." It feels very juvenile.
again, i think a lot of this criticism is coming from people who by and large have not had many random sexual partners/encounters over the years and are projecting their own puritanical lifestyle out of naivety since they are wholly unaware how the other half lives and project their own behavior/experience as the golden standard by which the rest of society should live
that, and of course a lot of people will never pass up a good opportunity to virtue signal
i assure you that not once have i ever committed anything non-consensual and this is anecdotally backed up by the fact that the overwhelming majority of my partners wound up becoming regular trysts and the only ones who didn't were ones where it was a logistic impossibility (i or they were not from there and just passing through) or it was someone who i didn't have any interest in having repeat encounters with
while i've never done it in a nyc changing room, i've had many parallel encounters in similar places/situations and it often does begin the exact same way as described in her book using her own sanitized and biased version of events
but it's never ended with them leaving though, instead they quickly drop the facade and it becomes something more like this
i'm merely stating, going by her own account of it, if i were in his shoes, i could see the exact same events unfolding and then i'd be standing there puzzled with the "wtf did we go into the changing room if that's not what the plan was and if she genuinely didn't want it, then why on earth was she appearing to be enjoying it by flirtatiously laughing as took off her panties and spread her legs?"
so i get it, i can see the confusion and how that misunderstanding could take place
and of course, we're also dealing with her version of events, mind you, even in that version, she meets a guy, they talk about trying on lingerie together and go into a changing room together? what exactly did she think was going to happen? there's just no way she's being honest in her account of the events, either that or she's mentally handicapped
Rickroll, I’m going to ask you to stop posting rape culture-type things itt. I know you don’t view it as that, but it is in fact not acceptable content for this thread.
This advice is "for experts only", as it were. If you're going to be a guy that flies that close to the sun, you'd better know what you're doing and accept whatever consequences come your way if you make a mistake and misread the signals. It's not a risk-free strategy.
lol I am reminded of the Bill Burr sketch. I’m not playing that game ever.
Trump lied so much about that situation that I have no reason to believe him that it was consensual. How could you? He said he didn’t even know who she was yet somehow remembered every detail of the sexual encounter? Something doesn’t add up.
Trump keeps gaining small amounts on polymarket and it's currently 53-46.
I am a little puzzled about why exactly, given that even NC is in play and Michigan should be secured Dem by now
