$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

Yeah I do agree 5bb/100 isnt that crazy (I think regs tend to have lower winrates on zoom tables on average though), but I imagine most regs who have solid fundamentals and understand population exploits can achieve it. But I do see alot of crazy volume grinders playing 10 hrs a day in blitz that are likely breakeven or slightly losing in blitz games but making alot of money from rakeback and leaderboard, perhaps thats the pro players they were referring to?

This is what population does but you shouldn't.

The 4betting QQ here is not good, you are 0EV vs a jam and people are under 3betting preflop.

Just call here always.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25.92) [VPIP: 20.7% | PFR: 15.5% | AGG: 29.8% | Hands: 2513]
HERO ($52.60) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39% | Hands: 86167]
BB ($25.54) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 38.2% | Hands: 317]
UTG ($29.75) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 44.4% | Hands: 37]
HJ ($29.12) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 36.8% | Hands: 274]
CO ($29.92) [VPIP: 27.3% | PFR: 22.7% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 22]

Dealt to Hero: A♣ K♠

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.62, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $2.91, BB Folds, HJ Raises To $6.35, HERO Raises To $52.60 (allin), HJ Calls $22.77 (allin)

Flop ($81.97): Q♠ A♥ 9♦

Turn ($81.97): Q♠ A♥ 9♦ J♦

River ($81.97): Q♠ A♥ 9♦ J♦ 3♦

Thinking about the hand above some more I realize I misplayed the hand too.

I should make QQ/JJ/AK a negative EV call. So in order to do that I should call all AK/AKs/QQ and jam only AA/KK.

Then population is punting vs me when they 4bet/call it off in spots and it has the illusion of a cooler.

These spots are pretty common in fast fold pools so I think it will be an important strategy deviation.

Solver hates it we love it.

You should jam ATs/QQ/JJ here if you are OOP but weaker regs won't so this call prints.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25.18) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 26.3% | Hands: 389]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 21.7% | PFR: 16.5% | AGG: 39.4% | Flop Agg: 42.9% | Turn Agg: 45.5% | River Agg: 25% | 3Bet: 7.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 119]
BB ($55.16) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 29.3% | Hands: 262]
UTG ($39.28) [VPIP: 26% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 25.6% | Hands: 206]
HJ ($55.71) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 47]
HERO ($36.45) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39% | Flop Agg: 43.1% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 40.9% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 11.8% | Hands: 86463]

Dealt to Hero: A♥ 4♥

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $2.75, BB Folds, HERO Calls $2.15

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.87 effective]
Flop ($5.75): 4♠ T♥ 2♥
SB Bets $2.73 (Rem. Stack: $19.52), HERO Calls $2.73 (Rem. Stack: $30.97)

Turn ($11.21): 4♠ T♥ 2♥ 7♣
SB Bets $5.32 (Rem. Stack: $14.20), HERO Calls $5.32 (Rem. Stack: $25.65)

River ($21.85): 4♠ T♥ 2♥ 7♣ K♠
SB Bets $14.20 (allin), HERO Calls $14.20 (Rem. Stack: $11.45)

Not sure if AK wins more money by calling 4bet OOP vs QQ compere to jam. AA/KK win the same regardless. If you want to minimaze ev of 4bet QQ you should fold hands that have really poor equity vs QQ.

Solver hates the turn jam but imo it is mandatory based on how population is playing.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($27.03) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 33.6% | Hands: 1738]
SB ($93.74) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 15.2% | AGG: 43.7% | Flop Agg: 39.2% | Turn Agg: 61.5% | River Agg: 29.6% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 26.7% | 4Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 410]
BB ($45.03) [VPIP: 13.3% | PFR: 11.7% | AGG: 44.4% | Hands: 60]
UTG ($30) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 63.6% | Hands: 193]
HJ ($33.05) [VPIP: 31% | PFR: 25.4% | AGG: 20.5% | Hands: 72]
HERO ($26.43) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 39% | Flop Agg: 43% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 40.9% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 11.7% | Hands: 87081]

Dealt to Hero: T♥ Q♥

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $2.62, BB Folds, HERO Calls $2.12

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.34 effective]
Flop ($5.49): 5♣ 2♣ Q♠
SB Bets $1.81 (Rem. Stack: $89.31), HERO Calls $1.81 (Rem. Stack: $22)

Turn ($9.11): 5♣ 2♣ Q♠ 3♠
SB Bets $5.46 (Rem. Stack: $83.85), HERO Raises To $22 (allin), SB Calls $16.54 (Rem. Stack: $67.31)

River ($53.11): 5♣ 2♣ Q♠ 3♠ 7♦

It's not about AA/KK it's about AK.

AK performs better as a call because you have less fold equity then you think and they have too much QQ/JJ so it becomes much worse to jam.

On top of all this QQ/JJ go from a 0EV call to a complete punt call. AK as well.

And the hands don't happen often enough for anyone to know your strategy so they won't adjust.

Does this logic apply to AKs/AKo as well? I personally find 4betting those hands frequently to perform better than flatting but not sure since we do get 5b jammed then have to make folds sometimes.

Every spot is situational, for example if you are UTG and BB3bets 4betting AK is a complete disaster. If BB jams you have to fold. Also jamming sucks too since you have less fold equity than theory.

I was talking about specifically these positions, and you could say UTGvsSB as well.

Ya no I gotcha, I was ig more wondering if AKo/AKs plays substantially different from QQ, like does QQ have way more incentive to see a flop in position than AK against the same tight 3bet range.

I would say when you are facing a 3bet (or a 4bet) and you have one of the hands you mentioned, ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish. Do you want a call/fold/jam?

Once you answer that question it will be more clear what action you should take.

If they dont have enough bluffs main adjustment is just to fold a bunch. As for AK if he dose not have a lot of bluffs it lowers both EV of calling and 5bettig.

Even versus a UTG RFI most regs probably overplay hands like AK/QQ/JJ.

BB vs UTG RFI, solver will almost pure call JJ, call AKo 50% of the time and even call QQ some of the time.
BTN vs UTG RFI, solver will call AK and QQ ~30% and JJ ~50%. Who does that?
Even SB vs UTG RFI, solver will just call AK/QQ/JJ at a decent frequency.

Most regs will probably fish mark someone flatting AK or QQ out of the SB or OTB.

yeah agreed, but it lowers the EV of 5betting more than EV of calling so we should just call.

Yeah I wonder about that. I think the fact of the matter is that most regs just don't flat top of range very much, even if it is GTO. If you see someone flat QQ OTB vs UTG in 6 max, chances are it is a fish. But then again, if their HUD stats look reasonable, they probably won't be labeled a fish.

The funny thing is, we know population is, "under 3betting." And I wouldn't say just under 3betting, but 3betting too linear compared to solver. It's not just that they aren't 3betting A3s btn vs LJ. It's that they are always 3betting QQ and JJ in that spot and never flatting too. So I think that calls into question what our continue range should look like and how it should differ from the solver.

I mean, should we really say, "I got 3bet by a reg on the BTN from UTG, he is a reg so I should 4bet A5s." But the chart that says to 4bet A5s might also say he is mostly flatting with JJ, AJs, KJs, and 50-50 with AQo. So how valid is what the solver says to do in response?

I am mostly a live player. One of the biggest things I notice from live regs preflop is how linear they are 3betting from the big blind. Especially against BU and SB. They aren't flatting hands like AQo and KQo nearly as much as solver. And they aren't 3betting enough offsuit trash, suited connectors, and suited gapper type hands. But I think regs continue range vs a 3bet in those spots is also too wide. Hands like KQo that might call 3bets from the BU and SB in solver land start becoming pure folds when you nodelock the BB 3b range to be very linear.

Does it though? AKo is mixing call/4b/jam vs a 10bb SB 3-bet from all positions

I think the most important is the specific positional fold to 4b/5b frequencies. And ofc you just fold once they get too strong

I feel like most online regs just don't play BTN (and especially SB/CO) flats, so you're basically facing the "simplified" GTO Wizard preflop range

Most midstakes regs aren't under 3-betting, and even BB is pretty close nowadays

The equity of AK is still high vs a range that has too much QQ/JJ, though, because of removal. It might lower it, but calling is still better than folding.

Well we know 2 things for sure:

1. 4bet folding frequencies are lower than GTO

2. 4bet range composition is more merged than GTO

Both those facts make you want to 5bet AK less.

This strategy will be less relevant the higher you play but against a 25nl blitz pool it seems like the right adjustment.

I also don't think it's obvious. Most people just follow preflop charts without thinking about why they are 4betting or 5bet jamming.

That's fair. But then on those charts we are mainly folding A5s in response. In fact mainly 4betting our continue range at both 50NL and 500NL rake. Even TT from UTG vs BU preferring 4bet. I was kind of thinking that wasn't how people actually play but I could be wrong, I am not playing a lot of online these days.

What's up! I saw in another thread that you play on GG in Splash Squad. Would love to connect! Don't know how to PM on here considering I just created an account.

Call without filters but once we filter for Ace high board it becomes a fold.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($27.33) [VPIP: 14.1% | PFR: 7.2% | AGG: 31.5% | Hands: 627]
HERO ($50.40) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.9% | Flop Agg: 42.9% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 11.7% | Hands: 88317]
BB ($25.12) [VPIP: 22% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 41.4% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 35.7% | 3Bet: 6.3% | 4Bet: 12.5% | Cold Call: 11.8% | Hands: 182]
UTG ($28.25) [VPIP: 24.4% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 30.3% | Hands: 263]
HJ ($29.13) [VPIP: 19.4% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 15.6% | Hands: 183]
CO ($29.89) [VPIP: 24.9% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 41.9% | Hands: 353]

Dealt to Hero: T♦ K♦

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.25 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 9♦ T♣ A♠
HERO Bets $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $49.28), BB Calls $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $24)

Turn ($2.24): 9♦ T♣ A♠ 5♥
HERO Checks, BB Bets $1.68 (Rem. Stack: $22.32), HERO Calls $1.68 (Rem. Stack: $47.60)

River ($5.60): 9♦ T♣ A♠ 5♥ 7♣
HERO Checks, BB Bets $4.20 (Rem. Stack: $18.12), HERO Folds

MDA Overall:

MDA Filtered for Ace high board:

Would you still donk bluff river on hand #2 vs regs? I've been experimenting with donk bluffs on flush/4straight rivers which I believe are overfolded but donking on A river is interesting.

In that spot I would because I don’t think he has much Ax. I’m good with him folding worse air as well.