Israel/Palestine thread

lol exactly

more than a million gazans received no food rations in august, israel refuses to coordinate polio vaccinations, ~2 children per week dying of hepatitis, meningitis spreading, etc ... holocaust going pretty well i guess

I feel like outlets have covered less the israeli strategy of erasing families. Surprising as usual to see the NYT admit to an israeli crime. https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/midd...

Don’t you guys ever get tired of predicting deliberate mass starvation every day for a year and being wrong on every metric?

pro-Israel people will deny this ofc, but if even the NYT is reporting it then things are just way worse than we could even imagine. what an awful story.

They are actually actively organizing the polio vaccinations but Hamas is very antivaxxer

More on the IDF murder of Aysenur Eygi.

At this time there is not enough evidence to say it was a murder. The eyewitness themselves ambiguously stated that there was a “clash”. Also lefties oftentimes call things murders that are not actually murders.

For now it sounds like a tragic situation. But we have no idea if what killed her was a sniper rifle. Generally if a sniper shoots you in the head, you will probably die pretty quickly. If there was a sniper bullet recovered, you’d also think that it would have been stated.

TBH we don’t even know it was the IDF that killed her. It could have been someone in the crowd returning fire on the IDF that accidentally hit her.

right, the ISM activists had guns and were shooting. fantasy land.

Actually, we do know these things from the eye witnesses. You didn't read the article I linked to above, or the NYT article.

wait where did you get that I said the ISM activists did it? I said “someone in the crowd”

given that the altercation occurred on the frontlines of fighting, where palestinian militants often get into firefights with the idf, it’s not a crazy theory.

its such an outlandish theory that even the IDF hasnt floated it.

it wasnt the front lines of fighting it was peaceful protest, you know the thing that you guys always whatabout.

is this Paliworld?

So you'll accept eyewitness accounts if they're Israeli?

Almost all the possible data is going to be from witnesses. If you don't consider witnesses, you'll never know anything.

Considering the IDF is killing tens of thousands of civilians in Gaza, why would you find WB accounts of violence so suspicious?

The IDF is going to utilize more than eyewitness accounts in their investigation. If they had confirmed that they killed her, then it would be a done deal, no?

It’s fine to consider witnesses btw but they are notoriously unreliable.

As for your second argument, that’s a complete non-sequitor.

Anyone remember what Israel said about Shareen Abu and Rachel Corrie? They admitted it right? Right?

The IDF isn't "killing tens of thousands in Gaza". The IDF killed tens of thousands in a completly justified carpet attack to the territory to dismantle main Hamas strongholds all at the same time, many months ago, and currently is killing 1-2k per month at most since like April.

Of which the vast majority Hamas members or material supporters, + people used as human shield by Hamas. Very very few completly innocent people not put into harm way on purpose by Hamas, almost 0

I won’t even bother with that. They never talk about how half of the 40k dead are actual Hamas fighters, or how they are now recruiting random people of the street with no combat experience because so many Hamas fighters have been killed.

If you add material supporters (15y old relaying messages to Hamas operatives, 30y women tending their wounds or preparing them meals and so on) it's more than 3/4

man, I dont think you guys want to go down the road of "material support equals a death sentence." well, I guess consistency was never a strong suit for the liberals so its proly fine.

You don’t think there is possible coercion going on within the Hamas hierarchy such that they can compel people to support them against their will?

My problem with Hamas is that by not having any uniform or way of differentiating them from noncombatants, they make civilian casualties inevitable and can always claim some operative or another was actually a civilian casualty.

I don’t think a mother helping Hamas at the barrel of a gun should necessarily count as a combatant.

I did since day one.

Material support of the enemy in war completly justifies killing on the field.

Especially on war where the enemy doesn't always wear uniforms it's utterly absurd to ask one side to differentiate supporters from actual fighters or to care to spare their lives when taking down enemy clusters.

I am not a liberal though.

If people are compelled to do tasks for Hamas and/or stay in the vicinity of Hamas bases and so on, then they fall under the human shield victims.

It can certainly happen, and I am sure Hamas does that.