[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still think that AQ did 9/11 you should be in adult day care.
You seem to think I missed something in the wikipedia article you posted after I posted what appeared to me to be the thin and specious evidence linking Atta to AQ. Can you simply paste what it was I supposedly omitted? Tell the class why you think Atta and the alleged hijackers are AQ. You have the burden here.
I already linked it the relevant sections in the very post to which you replied, since I suspected that navigating a single Wikipedia page was an advanced skill beyond your abilities. Myopically, I did not foresee that clicking hyperlinks would present a similar struggle.
In mid-1998, Atta worked alongside Shehhi, bin al-Shibh, and Belfas, at a warehouse, packing computers in crates for shipping.[44] The Hamburg group did not stay in Wilhelmsburg for long. The next winter, they moved into an apartment at Marienstrasse 54 in the borough of Harburg, near the Hamburg University of Technology,[45] at which they enrolled. It was here that the Hamburg cell developed and acted more as a group.[46] They met three or four times a week to discuss their anti-American feelings and to plot possible attacks. Many al-Qaeda members lived in this apartment at various times, including hijacker Marwan al-Shehhi, Zakariya Essabar, and others.
In late 1999, Atta, Shehhi, Jarrah, Bahaji, and bin al-Shibh decided to travel to Chechnya to fight against the Russians, but were convinced by Khalid al-Masri and Mohamedou Ould Salahi at the last minute to change their plans. They instead traveled to Afghanistan over a two-week period in late November. On 29 November 1999, Mohamed Atta boarded Turkish Airlines Flight TK1662 from Hamburg to Istanbul, where he changed to flight TK1056 to Karachi, Pakistan.[47] After they arrived, they were selected by al-Qaeda leader Mohammed Atef as suitable candidates for the "planes operation" plot. They were all well-educated, had experience of living in western society, along with some English skills, and would be able to obtain visas.[32] Even before bin al-Shibh had arrived, Atta, Shehhi, and Jarrah were sent to the House of Ghamdi near bin Laden's home in Kandahar, where he was waiting to meet them. Bin Laden asked them to pledge loyalty and commit to suicide missions, which Atta and the other three Hamburg men all accepted. Bin Laden sent them to see Atef to get a general overview of the mission, and then they were sent to Karachi to see Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to go over specifics.[48][additional citation(s) needed]
German investigators said that they had evidence that Mohamed Atta trained at al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan from late 1999 to early 2000. The timing of the Afghanistan training was outlined on 23 August 2002, by a senior investigator. The investigator, Klaus Ulrich Kersten, was the director of Germany's federal anticrime agency, the Bundeskriminalamt. He provided the first official confirmation that Atta and two other pilots had been in Afghanistan, and he also provided the first dates of the training. Kersten said in an interview at the agency's headquarters in Wiesbaden that Atta was in Afghanistan from late 1999 until early 2000,[49][50] and that there was evidence that Atta met with Osama bin Laden there.[51]
A video surfaced in October 2006. The first chapter of the video showed bin Laden at Tarnak Farms on 8 January 2000. The second chapter showed Atta and Ziad Jarrah reading their wills together ten days later on January 18.[47][52] On his return journey, Atta left Karachi on 24 February 2000, by flight TK1057 to Istanbul where he changed to flight TK1661 to Hamburg.[47][53] Immediately after returning to Germany, Atta, al-Shehhi, and Jarrah reported their passports stolen, possibly to discard travel visas to Afghanistan.[54]
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On the morning of 9 July, Mohamed Atta rented a silver Hyundai Accent, which he booked from SIXT Rent-A-Car for July 9 to 16, and later extended to the 19th.[72][73] He drove east out of Madrid towards the Mediterranean beach area of Tarragona. On the way, Atta stopped in Reus to pick up Ramzi bin al-Shibh at the airport. They drove to Cambrils, where they spent a night at the Hotel Monica. They checked out the next morning, and spent the next few days at an unknown location in Tarragona.[72] The absence of other hotel stays, signed receipts or credit card stubs has led investigators to believe that the men may have met in a safe house provided by other al-Qaeda operatives in Spain. There, Atta and bin al-Shibh held a meeting to complete the planning of the attacks. Several clues have been found to link their stay in Spain to Syrian-born Imad Eddin Barakat Yarkas (Abu Dahdah), and Amer el Azizi, a Moroccan in Spain. They may have helped arrange and host the meeting in Tarragona.[74] Yosri Fouda, who interviewed bin al-Shibh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) before the arrest, believes that Said Bahaji and KSM may have also been present at the meeting. Spanish investigators have said that Marwan al-Shehhi and two others later joined the meeting. Bin al-Shibh would not discuss this meeting with Fouda.[75]
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On 4 August, Atta is believed to have been at Orlando International Airport waiting to pick up suspected "20th Hijacker" Mohammed al-Qahtani from Dubai, who ended up being held by immigration as "suspicious." Atta was believed to have used a payphone at the airport to phone a number "linked to al-Qaeda" after Qahtani was denied entry.[77]
I fear that this demonstration of your reading ability, or rather, lack thereof, is not filling me with confidence regarding the quality of the rest of your research on this (or any) topic. Hard to believe you when you say that there is no evidence of something when you are clearly either incapable of reading or incapable of telling the truth about what you've read.
If you are meeting them in the U.S. you are getting a biased sample, especially if you are talking to those who are out on the corners asking for help from strangers. They know what most Americans want to hear.
Would you rank the integrety of US elections higher than that of Venezuela or rhe DPRK?
I didn't ask for judgements just predictions. There are already juicy breadcrumbs being dropped get out in front and take a shot to test your bs meter. It's just were these guys taking foreign money to spread pro-russian views yes or no?
If you are meeting them in the U.S. you are getting a biased sample, especially if you are talking to those who are out on the corners asking for help from strangers. They know what most Americans want to hear.
Colombia. Biased probably because they all they all fled Venezuela... But they include rich and poor. I don't think I've ever met any Venezuelans in the US.
I know that. The maneuvering of the planes is circumstantial evidence. The extremely short time window needed to make an exact course correction is circumstantial evidence of remote control of the planes. We've had drones for like a century. You have to weigh it against these people pulling this off. I think one problem here is many ITT have never tried to pull anything ambitious off and have experienced the way things can go sideways in ways you never anticipated.
Not to mention, these guys who have never flown commercial jets before are going to their death supposedly. They are in chaotic situations. Conditions like that don't lend themselves to flawless, almost inhuman execution. These hijackers aren't like the best of the best who have had years of advanced operations training. Look how often our special forces botch missions. And would we ask our guys to live in a foreign country for years, while maintaining morale high enough to die for the cause, and fly planes unlike anything they have flown before? Nope. Independence Day the movie isn't real life, fellas.
Lol, Deuces McKracken loses all credibility by never presenting any version of what he believes the evidence proves what happened on 9/11 despite repeated requests.
Now he loses all credibility with the conspiracy theorists crowd by claiming “Independence Day the movie isn't real life, fellas” instead of recognizing it is a documentary showing the government PSYOP regarding the discovery of UFO technologies.
Would you rank the integrety of US elections higher than that of Venezuela or rhe DPRK?
Any opinion on that is probably worthless. Mine because I don't know enough and those who make it their business to know about it typically do so in pursuit of political leverage.
I've heard that their elections are actually decent. They require an ID and a fingerprint scan. Voters get a physical ballot. The ballots are manually checked against the tally.
Contrast that to the U.S. where you have all the states doing their own thing which usually means sending your vote out into the ether i.e. computer only voting via a private 3rd party vendor. We've seen blatant stealing of elections and all kinds of electronic voting irregularities. These are all documented, weird stuff like certain counties in a state all have the exact tally or a candidate having the exact tally. W Bush stole both of his elections, cheating Gore in FL and Kerry in Ohio.
But there are all kinds of shenanigans that can fall under "election integrity". Closing down polls to reduce turnout to the benefit of a particular candidate is something that happens in the U.S. all the time. I have no idea if that happens in Venezuela.
Lol, Deuces McKracken loses all credibility by never presenting any version of what he believes the evidence proves what happened on 9/11 despite repeated requests.
Now he loses all credibility with the conspiracy theorists crowd by claiming “Independence Day the movie isn't real life, fellas” instead of recognizing it is a documentary showing the government PSYOP regarding the discovery of UFO technologies.
I've never had any credibility on this topic with any sheeple. Your interpretation of credibility means influence in a network which determines whether you have a job or not and how much pleasure you can have. That's it. You don't issue credibility based on consistent application of reason. You just want to do whatever is needed to maintain your lifestyle and you think it involves swallowing all the lies like a good little subject.
Hey Deuces, now that I went to the trouble of pasting the sections of Wikipedia article that you requested (and implied didn't exist), will you answer my question about why you lied about its contents?
Deuces if you had say a year to learn how to fly a plane do you think you could do it? Or is it just way beyond your abilities?
I've never had any credibility on this topic with any sheeple. Your interpretation of credibility means influence in a network which determines whether you have a job or not and how much pleasure you can have. That's it. You don't issue credibility based on consistent application of reason. You just want to do whatever is needed to maintain your lifestyle and you think it involves swallowing all the lies like a good little subject.
You don't have any credibility because I just want to do whatever is needed to maintain my lifestyle? What does this even mean, reading a 911 thread in a poker forum maintains a lifestyle?
I would have guessed that my swallowing all the lies like a good little subject would not be detrimental to your "claims and logic."
Would it be a conspiracy theory to believe you just simply can't explain your jumbled thoughts and theories well enough for anyone to find you credible?
Just face it jj, you're afraid that if you admit the truth about 9/11 you'll turn into a crackhead as soon as the clock strikes midnight. There is no other possible reason for refusing to subscribe to Deuces' theories.
I still don’t know his theories. I only know what he believes didn’t happen.
Sensible, obvious explanation = magic. Convoluted conspiracy involving drones, thermite, crisis actors, lizard people, etc. etc. = not magic. Got it.
I asked you before what the magic was and you ignored the question. So either answer the question or stop repeating it.
The magic is your ideas about how two steel frame skyscrapers engineered to withstand the impact of jet planes both come down the way they did along with another 47 story building producing molten steel that persisted for months burning under the rubble.
The magic is your ideas about how two steel frame skyscrapers engineered to withstand the impact of jet planes both come down the way they did along with another 47 story building producing molten steel that persisted for months burning under the rubble.
Oh, you mean science? Yeah, that can appear like magic to the chronically under-educated, but it all makes perfect sense once you start learning a little bit about it. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.
Oh, you mean science? Yeah, that can appear like magic to the chronically under-educated, but it all makes perfect sense once you start learning a little bit about it. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.
Yeah there is no science behind your ideas. And they didn't even try to produce it.
All of what NIST produced is a model up to the "collapse". It's a pre-collapse theory. What you actually see on video they didn't attempt.
Yeah there is no science behind your ideas. And they didn't even try to produce it.
All of what NIST produced is a model up to the "collapse". It's a pre-collapse theory. What you actually see on video they didn't attempt.
You guys keep saying there is no this or that there, but as soon as this or that is produced, you go eerily silent and/or start pretending you can't read. See, for example, Deuces and the Wikipedia article. Or you when you asked about airport surveillance footage and then quickly dropped that line of inquiry when it was produced.
Yeah there is no science behind your ideas. And they didn't even try to produce it.
All of what NIST produced is a model up to the "collapse". It's a pre-collapse theory. What you actually see on video they didn't attempt.
Let's assume that this is true, which I don't really believe but whatever. What is so magical about airplanes crashing into a building which then causes the building set on fire and ultimately to collapse? Do you have any reason why you think this is "magic"?
Let's assume that this is true, which I don't really believe but whatever. What is so magical about airplanes crashing into a building which then causes the building set on fire and ultimately to collapse? Do you have any reason why you think this is "magic"?
They believed the engineers(and govt narrative) that time.
They did withstand the impact of jet planes, even though they weren't designed to withstand the impact of fully-loaded 747s at a sizable fraction of mach 1.
What precisely was magical about "the way they did?" Be specific.
There's no evidence of "molten steel."
You seem horribly misinformed.
