ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
I have an exceptionally low IQ and I am going to act outraged that the unrealized capital gains tax will never have any impact on me whatsoever.
I am also outraged by the fact that trump informed me that abortions are alowed in multiple states after the 9th month.
Well the way I like to evaluate policies on their face is to look at what the best case scenario is, what the worst case scenario is, and what the median case scenario is, and assess the probabilities of each happening.
Best case scenario: we raise a tiny bit of taxes, the economy is not effected at all, and we spend a tremendous amount of political capital getting it passed.
Worst case scenario: we cause extremely rich people to want to leave our country, not want to make new investments due to us disincentivizing risk taking, and we end up actually lowering the amount of taxes collected by shrinking the tax base while hurting our economy at the same time.
Median case scenario: the bill has absolutely no chance in passing, we suggest it to get our base riled up but they're not actually our base because crazy progressives are not reliable at all, and we hurt Kamala's chances to get elected for absolutely no reason.
Median case scenario if it gets passed: there is a marginal harm to our economy and an extremely tiny increase in taxes collected.
You can apply the probabilities yourself, or correct me if you think I have the scenarios wrong. I don't see even the best case scenario resulting in anything except for that.
I have an exceptionally low IQ and I am going to act outraged that the unrealized capital gains tax will never have any impact on me whatsoever.
Why exactly are you in favor of this tax? Do you think that top tax rates and other forms of tax don't effect anyone but the people that are being taxed?
You can apply the probabilities yourself, or correct me if you think I have the scenarios wrong. I don't see even the best case scenario resulting in anything except for that.
Was just interested in who you thought it would affect. I have no problem with your forecasts, though they look awfully pessimistic to me. Not an economist though, so whatever. I've read it's unlikely to be reality, so you're probably right about that.
i think it'd be nice if we were like sparta and just left our babies in the woods and if they were still alive the next day they earned it
Was just interested in who you thought it would affect. I have no problem with your forecasts, though they look awfully pessimistic to me. Not an economist though, so whatever. I've read it's unlikely to be reality, so you're probably right about that.
Bare in mind I might think that the worst case scenario probability is something like 10% and the best case scenario is something like 20%, so depending on what my prior probabilities are what seems like a pessimistic forecast just looks that way because it’s not weighted in what I think are the most likely scenarios.
If I had to guess my two median scenarios are extremely likely, so it’s really not an issue worth thinking about to me other than maybe evaluating what I think Kamala’s political instincts are like. So far I think her economic proposals, for what I want, have been a mixed bag and not complete trash as Luciom is implying.
Her policies would be fine if she didn’t suggest she would be for taxes on unrealized capital gains.
Canceling student debt is pure obscenity and completely indefensible. Not even gorgon would defend that I think.
The proper fix is to allow student debt to be discharged in personal bankruptcy.
And every non radical knows that.
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Her green platform as a mainstream democrat is too radical and disastrous to the economy if implemented.
Why exactly are you in favor of this tax? Do you think that top tax rates and other forms of tax don't effect anyone but the people that are being taxed?
Honestly my man, the most important thing to me is just trying to make our country a better less angry place. I am tired of rhetoric trying to push my anger and rage buttons. I am looking foreword to a time when hate, exclusion, and division can take a back seat and we can focus on living our best lives.
. So far I think her economic proposals, for what I want, have been a mixed bag and not complete trash as Luciom is implying.
Because you are center left.
My claim is that if you intimate inner values are actually rightwing, Harris has an utter trash platform.
Like the polar opposite of what you would want politics to be about.
You can still declare you feel like voting for her is appropriate because Trump, just don't lie in our faces about the rest.
Honestly my man, the most important thing to me is just trying to make our country a better less angry place. I am tired of rhetoric trying to push my anger and rage buttons. I am looking foreword to a time when hate, exclusion, and division can take a back seat and we can focus on living our best lives.
Propose and enact federally mandated maternity leave.
Propose and enact making any election day a federal holiday (or move it to a ****ing Sunday like normal countries).
Propose and enact free government issued IDs.
Propose and enact an increase in the child tax credit.
Propose and enact tougher border controls and vetting of asylum seekers outside the border.
Propose and enact to increase the income cap for social security payroll taxes.
Propose and enact to remove the cost basis reset of assets at inheritance.
Propose and enact legislation that makes patent ever greening impossible, especially in the healthcare sector.
Propose and enact legislation that makes it a crime to pay a competitor to not enter your market, especially in the healthcare sector.
Propose and enact a change in rules that allows physicians with experience entering the USA from other countries to work from day 1, without having to re-do their residency.
If you want more bipartisan law proposals with widespread popular agreement which poll in the majority, and just make sense, you can ask
Because you are center left.
My claim is that if you intimate inner values are actually rightwing, Harris has an utter trash platform.
Like the polar opposite of what you would want politics to be about.
You can still declare you feel like voting for her is appropriate because Trump, just don't lie in our faces about the rest.
Not at all the polar opposite. She is in favor of increasing border security, increasing military spending/modernization, supporting our overseas allies in Ukraine, Israel, and NATO, expressed support for cutting certain unnecessary regulations, and most importantly conserving our American democracy and institutions. All she has to do is say she backs the blue and she will be pretty center to center right on a good amount of issues.
Honestly my man, the most important thing to me is just trying to make our country a better less angry place. I am tired of rhetoric trying to push my anger and rage buttons. I am looking foreword to a time when hate, exclusion, and division can take a back seat and we can focus on living our best lives.
Yeah I don’t think your initial reply to me supports this ethos at all, but maybe I misinterpreted. And when I put out a pretty salient argument you pivot to something completely unrelated, which doesn’t help political discourse at all.
Not at all the polar opposite. She is in favor of increasing border security, increasing military spending/modernization, supporting our overseas allies in Ukraine, Israel, and NATO, expressed support for cutting certain unnecessary regulations, and most importantly conserving our American democracy and institutions. All she has to do is say she backs the blue and she will be pretty center to center right on a good amount of issues.
Polar opposite on the economic sphere. The rest, going by declarations, is more centrist.
But if you think about judges, her nominations would be disgusting for a rightwing person
Yeah I don’t think your initial reply to me supports this ethos at all, but maybe I misinterpreted. And when I put out a pretty salient argument you pivot to something completely unrelated, which doesn’t help political discourse at all.
now that i think about it, not once have i ever seen squid and trump posting here at the same time
Polar opposite on the economic sphere. The rest, going by declarations, is more centrist.
But if you think about judges, her nominations would be disgusting for a rightwing person
Well when you leave out important qualifiers then no one is going to understand what you are saying.
If I was a right winger economically I would like that she is proposing lowering taxes on the middle class, continuing Biden’s successful energy policies, and not demanding that the Fed lose its independence.
I think yer on to sumthan', RR
I hear squid is rather buff,,, just like Trump
Well when you leave out important qualifiers then no one is going to understand what you are saying.
If I was a right winger economically I would like that she is proposing lowering taxes on the middle class, continuing Biden’s successful energy policies, and not demanding that the Fed lose its independence.
She flipped (in words) on fracking because she can't be president without winning Pennsylvania but there is no reason to believe her on that tbh, given her long story of hatred on fracking, and you know that.
Federal independence as a "good thing" is a technocratic neolib preference, not a rightwing one.
As for middle class tax cuts what's the proposal by Harris?
